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Thursday 26 January 2012

Verity Murphy | 18:26 UK time, Thursday, 26 January 2012

How fair is the UK's tax system?

The Deputy PM Nick Clegg has called for the pledge to stop tax on earnings under ÂŁ10,000 to be brought in more quickly, "because things are very tough".

Labour has said that the coalition was to blame for the "squeeze" on families.

So will a rise in the personal allowance threshold address perceived unfairness in the tax system, or is it just tinkering around the edges? David Grossman reports.

Also on the programme, shadow health minister Diane Abbott has resigned from a cross-party group on counselling given to pregnant women by abortion providers, dismissing it as a "front" for those who want it outlawed.

She said she had "no doubt" the government wanted to bring about such a change.
But Tory MP Nadine Dorries, who is in favour of altering the law, said Ms Abbott's comments were "nonsense".

Both will be joining Kirsty in the studio.

Also tonight, how vulnerable is our digital world from cyber attacks? .

And after a list of those who declined an honour between 1951 and 1999, and who have since died, has been published for the first time, Steve Smith asks what value is placed on receiving an OBE, CBE or knighthood?

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

  • Comment number 2.

    "HOW VULNERABLE IS OUR DIGITAL WORLD FROM CYBER ATTACKS?"

    Oh - I'd say nowhere near as vulnerable as our cultural integrity from Westminster indolence. But with all your gurus, NewsyNighty, you choose never to square up to the FUNDAMENTAL threats.

    Today, Dominator Dave told a bunch of his ilk to be BOLD. Bravo! He spoke from all the depth of his vast experience in - er - what quite? Being a consummate POLITICIAN: devious, self-serving and crass, does not amount to a CV that would have led to an interview with me. This Dominator will go down like a domino - they all do - they all did; BUT NOT UNTIL MAXIMUM DAMAGE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED.

    CYBER ATTACKS? The attack coming is from within the collective mind of man - educated to stupidity - mediarised to banality, and deceived to hostility.

    Oh NewsyNighty! ALL THAT IS REQUIRED FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS THAT GOOD MEN DO NOTHING. Isn't "GOOD MAN" what all you ladies aspire to be, in the unisex-space, going forward?

  • Comment number 3.

    THE VALUE OF MONARCHY

    Monarchy is the linchpin of patronage - feudal Westminster politics - undeserved wealth - militarism and established church.

    Dave is a proxy Queen.

    Nuff sed

  • Comment number 4.

    "Labour has said that the coalition was to blame for the "squeeze" on families."

    in my experience it's successive governments which have failed the 99% (love this shorthand), and minor revisions are unlikely to rectify "perceived unfairness in the tax system".

  • Comment number 5.

    There's the thing again ... a 'magic number'.

    They pop up all the time.

    In this case, ÂŁ10,000 for a tax threshold.

    What is so special about ÂŁ10K, why not ÂŁ12K or whatever?

    It makes more sense to use a floating level for the basic rate tax threshold, defined by soemthing we can all agree is reasonable.

    For example, tax, by definition, should not be applied to people who are living in poverty - correct?

    The poverty threshold in England is defined by a Government department to be currently around ÂŁ15K for a family.

    Therefore, tax should be applied at some point above this poverty threshold.

    Is it me?

  • Comment number 6.

    RBS chief Stephen Hester to get ÂŁ963,000 bonus
    /news/business-16751691


    Guess what Stephen Hester studied at university?


    Eat the rich.

    How did that ever qualify him to run a bank!

  • Comment number 7.

    UK STANCE RE MISDIRECTION OF THE COUPLING DRIVE IS GOING NOWHERE.

    Running the gamut, from another male, to some inanimate object, the aberrant male is driven, by powerful forces, to couple. We no longer persecute the male homosexual - it is accepted as a predisposition, not a choice. Why then are most other couplings regarded has heinous - or, at least, punishable?

    No one in their right mind would argue that paedophilia should be embraced by society, as male-male coupling has, but is demonization, in a putative civilisation, still appropriate? Most of us have some kind of aberrant behaviour - most not sexual. I would guess it is hell enough being a paedophile - there are no "pride marches" for him. Should we really make his life a double hell?

    Time for the injection of some wisdom into the ignorant furore.

  • Comment number 8.

    I started watching the discussion but gave up as it became a brawl. Newsnight descends into a brawl whenever Kirsty presents since she appears incapable of chairing a discussion or resisting the temptation to talk above the participants. Why bother with them? Just leave her to it. She could learn a lot from Andrew Neil.

  • Comment number 9.

    FAIR COMMENT IN AN UNFAIR AGE (#8)

    All part of the "New Cruelty" O&E. Even Andrew Neil has been allowed to let his child out to play more and more. Gravitas is dead, and juvenile distraction is the order of the day.

    THIS IS THE AGE OF PERVERSITY

  • Comment number 10.

    Overtired and emotional @ 8

    The discussion on the 10K tax threshold was a waste of time, but not because of Kirsty Wark.

    No Sir, as per usual when male politicians get together, they all start competing to see who has the biggest todger, metaphorically speaking, which is utterly pathetic.

    Contrast this with the discussion amongst four ladies that Emilie Maitlis chaired a few nights ago, which was completely civilised, as each took their turn to speak and they certainly did not shout over each other.

    Even this evenings discussion between the lady politicians Dorries and Abbot, who clearly are poles apart on the issue they were debating, still did not descend to the level of the males on the programme.

    It seems to me that on the available evidence, there should be far fewer men in politics and many more women.

  • Comment number 11.

    #8 seconded

    Kirsty Sqwark is awful.

  • Comment number 12.

    The ME war monger Melanie Philips was true to her Israeli colours on QT tonight about the NEED to attack Iran.....Mark Steel almost exposed her warring neocon leanings, though alas, she was of course rescued, on a number of occasions, by her Jewish compatriot and QT chair Jonathan Dimbleby.

  • Comment number 13.

    ALLAH BE PRAISED!

    'Senior IDF officer told cabinet Israel cannot stop Iran's nuclear program'

  • Comment number 14.

    Eat the rich

  • Comment number 15.

    Diane Abbott called Nadine Dorries a tea partier. You'll find that is a leftist demoncrat coded term for something very nasty. Abbott hasn't learnt any lessons with her recent - and usual - inappropriate slurs against those she disagrees.

    Can I suggest that Abbott pulled out of the commitiee because it was too much effort to stay in it.

    Respect to the Tory Dorries, she owned Abbott.

  • Comment number 16.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 17.

    Obama's State of the Union Address: Militarism mixed with "Empty Liberal Rhetoric"

    America targets China. Financial crimes go unpunished.

  • Comment number 18.

    The State of the Union address: "A remarkable collection of pro-business nostrums, militarist saber-rattling, and outright lies"



    “This pat phrase has a deeply sinister and reactionary content. To “level the global playing field” means creating in the United States the same super-exploitative conditions that American manufacturers enjoy in China, India, Mexico or elsewhere—where workers toil for low wages, without benefits or health and safety protection, and frequently under the gun of police-state regimes.”

  • Comment number 19.

    'Labour has said'

    Late to this game, but I gather 'we' don't get to ask' or debate on that?

    'Also on the programme, shadow health minister Diane Abbott has...

    But Tory MP Nadine Dorries, who is in favour of altering the law, said Ms Abbott's comments were "nonsense".

    Both will be joining Kirsty in the studio.


    Did Ms. Abbott get tasked, totally impartially, and on the basis of well-researched fact, on other possible aspects?



    In fact, it is often amazing what can get pumped out in broadcast, often with highly-paid folk sitting right next to others pumping it out, who might be expected to pop a bit of 'context' in for the hapless viewer.





    Otherwise it is more, facilitated PR, really.

    '12. At 23:51 26th Jan 2012, museV wrote:
    The ME war monger Melanie Philips was true to her Israeli colours on QT tonight about the NEED to attack Iran.....Mark Steel almost exposed her warring neocon leanings, though alas, she was of course rescued, on a number of occasions, by her Jewish compatriot and QT chair Jonathan Dimbleby.


    No reason, just thought it was worth highlighting.

    Did I mention some of my posts get modded for being, amongst other possible things... 'considered likely to disrupt, provoke, attack or offend others. Or racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, abusive or otherwise objectionable'?

    Often, when they are not. Funny how 'unique' things can get, one way, or another.

  • Comment number 20.

    This one's a cracker!

    Imaginary Friends

  • Comment number 21.

    I watched question time last night. Mark Steel got the most applause and support for his contributions. Seeing as he was defending the so called 'scroungers' at the bottom, how does this fit with the establishment propaganda that says the vast majority of puplic opinion is on the side of bashing the poor? And he also made very pertinant points about the poor not being the recipients of most of the money paid out in benefits - its the rip-off landlords. he suggested rent controls to curb landlord rip-offs. Not a dicky-bird from any other panelist on this idea.

    When are the ±«Óătv going to commission Dominic Littlewood to do a prime time seres called,

    'The voiceless and The dirty, rotten, filthy, lousy, undeserving, tax avoiding, multiple property owning, stinking, horrible, pontificating, bonus fetished rich scoundrels?

    I know the ±«Óătv with it's reputation for being unbiased on such matters would do a good job wouldn't they?

  • Comment number 22.

    Twitter, high pay, 'isms, when they are an 'issue (and, in places, depending, not).

  • Comment number 23.

    Tax
    the 4 billion a year to millionaire landowners for merely being rich enough to own land is still ring fenced. Why? why no land tax?

    Ding Dong Gong
    national awards linked to a role gaming fetish are just wrong. why should anyone have to swear loyalty to an anti democratic anti human rights for all fetish best kept within the bedroom with the other role gamers who invent grandiose titles for themselves?

    there should be awards free from all of that claptrap.

    Cyber

    shame mi6 didn't protect its cyber experts then? why should anyone trust to work for them when they could be found zipped up in a sports bag in the bath? it is astoundingly stupid to not have considered those rare expensive assets as worth protecting like one might protect a royal? In iran we see nuclear scientists get bumped off. In the uk we see other national experts bumped off.
    Maybe mi6 were fretting too much over what type of gong they going to get when they retire and so took their eye off the ball? or distracted by the pet iranaphobia obsession?

  • Comment number 24.

    21. At 12:16 27th Jan 2012, funnyJoedunn wrote:
    I watched question time last night. Mark Steel got the most applause and support for his contributions


    Interesting crowd, then. Not, as such, 'tough'. For some. Maybe it's the selection process?

    Others will no doubt approve.



    'as with any campaign trail it is stage managed to the last detail.
    For more than three hours he charmed the fawning teenagers, deftly handling each pre-approved question.'

  • Comment number 25.

    When will our stupid governments learn that allowing millions of immigrants to move into your country, WILL create massive unemployment for the indigenous people, particularly in europe. Spain had 3 amnesties I believe for illegal immigrants from South America and Africa, and now has the most unemployment, although I believe the figure, 24%, is the same in Brittany in France. Why don't governments care about their own people, why do they denigrate them so much, especially the labour party, they scoff at their voters fears, i.e. Gillian Duffy.

  • Comment number 26.

    ecolizzy (25)

    Cause migrant labour (legal and illegal) is both cheaper and more subservient. Who would clean their houses (plural), walk their dogs and pick up its muck?

  • Comment number 27.

    THATCHER - MAJOR - BLAIR - BROWN - CAMERON - HAGUE - DUNCAN-SMITH - MILIBAND - CLEGG

    Under these "leaders" we have suffered: Denigration of mothering - atrophy of work ethic - evisceration of intelligence - annihilation of competence - elevation of mercenary killing - eulogising of unearned wealth - deification of vacuousness and the normalising of LIES.

    CAN YOU SEE WHAT IT IS YET?

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