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brilliant Jeremy last night...he's not convinced is he?

Fraud-closure effect -

' Did you teach '

if the world economy is, as mervyn king says, a zero sum game than for others to get richer others must get poorer. We are getting poorer so who is getting richer and why?

is it 'market forces' or manipulation, incompetence and vested interest?

I THINK MERVYN MEANT TO SAY 'A NUMB ZERO' GAME.

Choose any numb zero from many Jaunty - they have no idea.

If, of all the money in 'play' in the world at any one time, AN UNKNOWN %age is imaginary, then a notional sum must always be both divided and multiplied by the 'A in W reality constant', if a true Wombling overview is to be established, going forward. You might think to divide AND multiply brings you back to where you were; so do money experts - the sort of people who think that, while Schrödinger’s cat remains in the box, the litter tray will not overflow.

However, Mervyn being at best sur-real, has a negative resonance with anything preceded by a £ sign, and was probably the sole cause of the Great Schwarzschild Money Shrinkage Event.

Can you smell something?

IN THE INTEREST OF BALANCE WHEN COVERING LIBYA

Puh-lease, NewsyNighty, mention the Chagos Islanders: how we British IN RECENT DECADES have treated our Commonwealth 'own people' with utter contempt; oppressing, deporting and humiliating them. The KnaveDave must not be left unchallenged to swagger his 'British compassion for the underdog'. Our treatment of the Chagossians is 'unacceptable' - or, put better: dishonourable, disgraceful deceit; The Elixir of Westminster.

We are no better than Gaddafi.

We'll look at tensions within the hastily assembled multi-national coalition

The good Col. will be most grateful, one is sure.

Meanwhile, closer to home...

'And finally, ahead of tomorrow's budget...'

@TimReid±«Óãtv - Ed Balls claims to have a Treasury document about the #budget tomorrow - says there is "nothing worth leaking" to press #±«ÓãtvBudget

Makes one proud to be British. Unless one is a broadcasting corporation, it seems.

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indeed the uk is still under occupation by the social apartheid of the norman monarchy model. A caste system that means if you are not hereditary royal you are hereditary common.

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Rather interesting but I buy what Max Keiser is on with silver.

ROLLED OUT GOING FORWARD IN THE KUDOS SPACE (#9)

Some ±«Óãtv output is now inaudible to me, as a result of noisy 'enhancement'. The visual enhancement is distracting, and the studio walls (Green Giant Gaddafi) enough to bring on a migraine.

And the rate of tinkering with the blog is increasing; God grant it all stops December 2012.

Good Gawd!

What is happening to the world!

A woman dances on stage in Afghanistan ! .....

With bare arms! .....

With her head uncovered!


What next?

Perhaps women will get a decent education, a career and the freedom to walk beside a man!


Really ......

Give the woman a medal!

Coverage on Nn perhaps ?

Follow, or lead?

Answer is ......

( Here’s a hint .... Q .... Tonight's programme will, unsurprisingly, focus on the conflict in Libya. .... unQ )

Definitely .....

Tonight .....

Follow!




And .... Oh yes!

Q ....... what does this mean for social aspirations? unQ

With this con-alition ...... Doh!

Why ask a question - presumably of those luvvies et al that are so well qualified to answer, comment and pontificate - that many of the masses already know pretty well what the answer is going to be!

There is a theory - ask politicians and the media if it’s true - that the more you repeat something the more chance that it will be heard .....

So ......


Lead, don’t follow!

Jeremy Scahill on the Yemen situation:-

''the last time real wages fell over six years was in the 1920s - what does this mean for social aspirations?''

Blimey!

Social aspirations are the least of our worries and are probably the root cause of all the emerging ills anyway.

We dont need social aspirations we need an economic model that is functional, the social aspirations will then follow.


If we did but know it we have little time for social aspirations.

Is anyone convinced about Libya? That is the question ;o)

OUT OF DRUDGERY INTO THE 'WORKPLACE' (#14)

And verily, it came to pass that an invading Christian found an illiterate, veiled and draped young woman, working hard to support her parents. He did not pass by on the other side (of the no fly zone) but took her from her pointless relatives, brought her to England - unclothed and educated her, giving her the right to be infertile, independent and pushy, in a high-powered job.

By and by she formed a temporary relationship, had children that she parked somewhere, and a high maintenance lifestyle. Then the crash of Christian finance came, and she ended up in one room on benefits. Her sister went on living the old life in the old country. . .

SOCIAL ASPIRATIONS (#16)

1) Mothering on a par with soldiering in its dedication to a cause.
2) Parenting on a par with soldiering in its close camaraderie and purpose.
3) Installation of HONOUR and DIGNITY in the 'new recruit'.
4) Instruction in RECOGNISING THE ENEMY WITHIN - self and society.
5) Rewarding wisdom over nihilism and integrity over Jingoism.

Just a start.

...and Portugal's government is about to collapse!

Test

Back up and Running then NN, I was beginning to Think .. Was it something I said. or was it My Rare Armpit Problem. I can Assure You I dont Chuck up as much as Some of The Company You Keep.

I Agree with No 5 .. can you not Shine A Big Light on The Islanders Plight

Among Others

Cant see why The Russians are kicking off slightly over Lib Ya

#19

Those will do nicely.

But they do not feed the current global economic model.


So they are not promoted.


The current global economic model is sacred, it is not even debated since the fall of comunism (also flawed).

'we must restore growth' is the mantra.

Rich countries must buy grapes thrown in from Peru, eat half of them and then throw the rest away so that farmers in Peru have a living wage to grind their way out of poverty.

This is the mechanism of progress we are told.

But it can not be.

There is not oil enough in 10 planet earths to bring prosperity for all by flying perishable goods in throw away plastic containers half way around the world.

That is why I say the global economic model comes first, you win that debate so people will see that it is no longer possible to function in that way and many of the things you seek will flow from the changes which must be made as a logical extension of the economic debate which is, as yet, unheard of and unpromoted in any major media organisation despite its clear and unequivocal logical high ground which it occupies.

You do not need to be an economist of any understanding to see the super nova brightness of a rather obvious truth.

The more that truth is resisted, the messier the transition will be, but transition there will be, in fact, it is already long past starting for those whom are awake enough to see it unfolding before their eyes.

#23 addendum

We should be on a war footing, not to protect our supply of oil but to use the technology and spare labour we have to create a sustainable society.

Such a social and economic mission could engage all those disconnected from society and leave a positive legacy for generations to come.

On a war footing it could be done in a decade or less.

#24 addendum

Now that IS something I would be prepared to fight, maybe even die for.

16 - quite.

For GO to continue with his massively recessionary spending cuts tomorrow in the face of virtually every indicator pointing towards recession, with the oil spike on the horizon coming towards us fast and the earthquake disaster depressing trade in the far east, you'd think anyone with any sense would pull back from driving the UK economy over the same cliff as the Irish fell over with their rightwing programme of cuts.

As Paul Mason's blog points out, the debt crisis in EuroLand is also about to get serious again, so there's going to be a sharp recessionary vacuum in several of our export markets too.

If GO does confirm his plan to take £112 Bn out of the economy, it will be economic suicide, pure and simple. The British people will not forgive him, the Tories or the LibDems if they cause a deep, longlasting recession - this will usher in a generation of much more left wing Labour politics with a mandate to come down hard on the bankers, the rich and justify massive intervention in the economy.

Neocon policies of tax breaks and deregulation are useless in the current climate - indeed one might well argue that it was precisely these policies that allowed the banking crisis to happen in the first place.

IMHO this budget will replicate all the mistakes of the 1930s that drove the world into a deep, longlasting recession.

THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE (Jericoa various)

What is it they say about trying the same thing and getting the same result? From the first man-punch, to nuclear bombs and robotic 'punching', the Dumbest Ape has applied the same strategy. - with the same result.

Now we are duffing up the Technologically Little Guy, and Westminster whoops with primitive fervour.

Just a little cerebral finesse, applied to the environment of the Ape confused by Language, (just as Zoos are reconfigured for happy apes) could yield a paradigm shift BUT NO PROFIT TO THE USUAL SUSPECTS.

Aye - there's the rub.

I've heard that the Muslim fanatics are keeping quiet at the moment...so says the media. Rest assured the libyan secret service who are over here -posing as pot washers and such like- will be busy connecting 9 volt batteries and messing about with mobile phones...

Well rue the day for dropping bombs on Libya. I wont bore you what I think follows this stupid "revolution" military intervention and the need to protect Libyan citizens on account I've got a couple of jacket potatos in the oven that need my attention.

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At last some commen sense!

Unfortunately it's not simply about brokering a 'new deal' it's about chainging the fundamentals of our economic basis. A market mutual model for voting within shareholder meetings allows that, it regulates the excesses of capitalist corporate free markets and satisfies what should be the fundamental interest of shareholders the proper management of the corporation.

THE RUNNING ORDER SPELLED OUT: 'RUSHING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION'

How terribly sad, but predictable, that the LAST item on the running order ACTUALLY TOUCHED the edge of hope. Although to Jeremy, it was just another topic.

The infantile, male goals that now dictate Britain's direction, underpin money, commerce, law, war, legal narcotics AND THE MOULDING OF NEW INDIVIDUALS for Mammon. That will prove a very hard mould to break, but to hear it half-mentioned tonight, was like a 'ripple in the Force'. Did anyone notice? Or were they all in awe of Green Giant Gaddafi.

:) Excellent Jeremy tonight with Perle et al on Libya. Where have we heard "the war/crisis will be over in a few days" before? NO mention of Portugal tonight? Interesting debate with Murray et al too.

Roll on tomorrow's doom & gloom budget..........and diesel is £1.40 creeping up to who knows how much more..... and the rest :(

According to Reuter's, Britain is going to have it's own protest marches on Sunday. Oh and it's going to be violent.

I am wondering if I am alone in hoping that it would be impossible to get back/be dragged back to a place and time when we recognise and accept an elephant's deficiency (sorry I think that should be 'an elegant sufficiency') is enough.

Or perhaps I am almost the only person on the planet who doesn't think that richer must be better, that bigger must be the target, that growth that is a result of making things that people don't want and having to make make believe jobs to convince people that they do want what has been made is the be all and end all. The only person who fears that production and consumption have finite levels and attempts to push beyond those limits will result in implosion.

Enough I say.

I have enough. I have had enough!


Much impressed with #18, 19 (I wish I could have said those - but I would be lynched) 23 and 26 to varying degrees.

Phillip Blond has a massive mind. He mentioned something about the breakdown of the family and how that trend should be reversed. He ain't wrong. Breaking down the family is a basic Marxist tactic which the last Labour Govt deployed in full.
That should be reversed..and all their other policies they introduced should also be reversed.. then later when nobody is looking, ship Harriet Harman and Jack Straw to a far away land. They wouldn't be missed.

Good newnight me thinks tonight. You covered the accidental president of the United States -also known as the absent President, the training wheel President, the Peoples Republic of Obama...blah blah blah. Is he going to visit Cuba or Venezuela before he flys home and gets behind the desk at the Whitehouse?

First up on Obamas schedule when he gets home:
Basket ball results, second..Libya and third.. is there any ice cream in the fridge?

The two chaps you had on were also very good, talking about Libya..these are my kinda people. Its as if this was my wish list NN production show; the kevseywevsey show. I even appreciated Paxman mention - when introducing the budget piece - how the budget was gonna try and deal with the financial mess the last Labour Govt left the country in...or words to that effect. I was shocked by that statement..these are not words you normally hear from the ±«Óãtv.. er ever. Normally its: the Tory cuts and the hate-filled Tories are gonna kill your kittens...or words to that effect.

The Golden Ticket.

Well (#31.) "....that the LAST item on the running order ACTUALLY TOUCHED the edge of hope."

and

"....but to hear it half-mentioned tonight, was like a 'ripple in the Force'. Did anyone notice?"

I thought I was hearing things (after I answered the phone - which elicits a certain panic at 11:15) when a nugget of pure gold, a speck of grit in the oyster's shell dropped just before the final whistle. Who was that? What was that about.

Did the production team/presenters know that they had the opportunity for a really fascinating debate on their hands. Had it not been for Libya (does that rhyme with Dubya?) might kit have more time. I don't know.

Perhaps they can get the chap (sans the silly frilly girl) back tomorrow. Do you suppose anyone is listening/reading?


See you at Willy Wonka's place - only golden ticket holders need attend.

Cheers Kevsey.#35

Had missed who the v interesting chap was - but got what he said. Refreshing, but too late. At least as NN was crashing into tomorrows papers.

Need more like this.

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I probably agree with your overarching thesis - the point I'm making is that whilst we need fundamental change in the way our economy operates, GO is hell bent on driving the economy off the same cliff the Irish economy plummeted over, because he shares the same ideology that underpins this policy.

I argue for managed change and the replacement of the Washington Concensus with a new mindset based on sustainable economics, societies and environment - not catastrophic failure followed by the sort of anarchy that leaves the weak and vulnerable to sink of swim.

Those who think there is a way to cut ourselves out of this mess need to realise it won't work - indeed, it will probably make things far worse - therefore we need to take the argument to the libertarians.

Very marginal cuts in personal taxation and a slight delay in raising fuel taxes even more, plus the usual neocon deregulation drivel are pure guesture politics in today's budget - we need to keep banging on that this isn't going to work.

So when the brown stuff hits the extractor when the economy nosedives into deep recession, the British people, along with all the other economies in the same boat, will then be ready to consider a new paradigm.

Remember how the Icelanders refused to approve their bank bailout? Remember how the Irish electorate chucked out the previous government and demanded renegotiation? How the Portuguese parliament voted down their EU bailout deal yesterday?

The lesson is that there is a point at which popular politics can deliver change, but regretably only once the alternative has been tried and failed - our job now is to highlight the impending failure and make sure the right people carry the can for it.

"The lesson is that there is a point at which popular politics can deliver change, but regretably only once the alternative has been tried and failed - our job now is to highlight the impending failure and make sure the right people carry the can for it."

Yes but the problem is you need to have politicians that are not captured by the bankers or bound up by class structure related and connected to the banking structure which is what the British system is all about . The Icelandic situation was able to turn on a pin because they elected people who are not captured (yet) or within a class bound hierarchical structure. You would also have to operate outside the world banking system of derivatives which is what drives destruction capitalism.

We're doomed unless your a banking elite or part of that hierarchy which includes the main-media.

THESE JOKERS ONLY CARRY A CAN WHEN STEALING FROM THE CHARITY TIN (#39)

There are a number of entrenched errors in post-industrial culture: industrial food production supports overgrown, meta-stable aggregations of humanity where schooling delivers truncated units of future work for Mammon. 'Entertainment' is unreal for the small, and 'all-to-real' (brutal and degrading) for the large; it is delivered via the ‘cannula’ of ALPHA PRESENCE TV, inserted at birth into the new consciousness. War is an unquestioned good (in the 'right hands') and governance is confused with politics (the art of self-deception wrapped in the craft of deceiving others for their own good).

In a word: CORRUPTION. Active, passive, overt and covert corruption. Even if Jesus' long lost sister were to turn up now, I regret we would still be headed (like that other literary carpenter) for a 'bitter tear'.

I have not stopped hoping and trying, but believing now eludes me.

@39 Richard

I agree. And let us beware of people telling us that Latvia is a success story, because it's "growing again". As Krugman says, "... the idea that a country suffering a 25 percent fall in GDP, a 20 percent fall in employment, and mass emigration can be hailed as a policy triumph boggles the mind.."



The other thing to watch for in the Budget, is any policies which look like attempts to reflate bubbles rather than "rebalance" the economy.

COLLECTIVE MADNESS (#42)

Is it not the human psyche that is in need of 'rebalancing'?

New wine in old bottles - balanced economies in unbalanced societies?

The Dao knows no economy.

#43

The economic and the society debate are one and the same.

Our economic model is the broader expression of the way the majority of individuals live and the value systems that they have been trained to adopt or naturally have hard wired into their brains. hard wiring which needs to be overidden by 'soft' programming to stop it becoming counter productive. Greed, for me, is simply the instinct to store food away for the winter at its most basic and is hard wired into us, would you call a squirrell greedy?

Much of religious programming in the past has been pitched with the main purpose of over-riding the natural hard wired 'greed' instinct to promote more social harmony.

For me, tacking the economic debate so that people can see it is NOT in thier interests to support or behave in accordance with the status quo which supports greed and does not supress it will, naturally, lead to the educational changes and a resurgence of wisdom over intelligence you seek.

It will provide a pragmatic demonstratable narrative for people to justify overcoming their natural hard wired 'greed' instinct, hopefully one that will not involve promises of the attensions of virgins in heavan or huge earthly riches for a selective few who promote it.

That is my theory anyway, now all i have to do is get a sex change, get some huge breast implants paint myself illuminous orange and swing upside down naked from the hands of big ben to get the media interested in it as being worthy of promotion.

arab monarchies practise social/religious apartheid? no wonder the uk with it norman monarchy model support them? Monarchies are a form of apartheid. What sort of character idolises apartheid?

much of social harmony is normalising oppression?

@43, @44

This is where think-tanks like the NEF come in. It's not perfect, but it's overall approach is promoting a saner as well as a fairer society.

WITH YOU ON ALL COUNTS JERICOA (#44)

Just checking the trains to London.

WHO'S WINNING IN THE WAR ON TERROR?

Not heard much lately. Which country is Tony in - right now?

THE FLACCID LEADING THE FLEECED

Our supremely relaxed, filthy rich leaders, clearly have heads in the clouds (or in some other obscure place).

Dave had no inkling of the 'rich' irony when at PMQs he trumpeted the 'extraordinary effort' the NHS had made for ordinary-family-Cameron. He went on to remind us that NHS treatment IS UNRELATED TO THE RECIPIENT'S ABILITY TO PAY! You got that right Dave.

In passing, as I ran my eyes over the ranks of cipher ninnies, present in uncharacteristic numbers, drawn by the spectacle of PMQs, I wondered how many would return after a hypothetical election without rosettes, and without party labels?
These are not individuals of integrity, let alone ability - they are party ciphers, chosen for all the wrong attributes. Masochistic, whipped wannabes.

SPOILPARTYGAMES

#47

I like NEF too and support them within my modest means financially, their work is very well considered and researched but they lack visibility on the big stage and / or either the desire / funds to pursue it or the leadership to take thier excellent work to a broader audience.

I wish they could achieve that, they probably need to think outside the box abit more in terms of thier own promotion which may mean compromising their intellectual values.

A lot of the work they produce is excellent (e.g. Growth is no longer possible) but rather dry and written (quite rightly) for academic acceptance rather than broad appeal and is stuck there.

It probably sounds daft but to bridge that divide and 'get it out there' you probably do have to appoint katie Price as a NEF ambassador or similar to translate the huge power of the media titilation machine which keeps us all oh so conveniently distracted and turn it against itself.

Probably goes against a lot of peoples principals but this is a war situation remember and one which may actually be worth figting for as oppose to mis-directing self sacrifice to be suffocated in the oil drenched deserts of the world in pursuit of influence over oil. That is a downward negative spiral of a policy when there are far more worth while things we could turn our energies to.

In the meantime, German factories may shut down because of a lack of parts from Japan. A sobering view from Germany:



How many times do some of these bits go round the world before they reach their final destination? But don't worry, the enterprising real "enemies of enterprise" are out to make a fast yen as "Currency speculators are fueling demand for the yen, because they expect the rebuilding effort to cost billions."

What does "physically sick" Dave (©Barrie) think of that?

JIT - JUST IN TIME OR JUDGEMENT IN TERMS? (#52 link)

This sort of relevant too: /blogs/profile.shtml?userid=11646323

The horrifying Japanese incident, warns against knife-edge existence. Nuclear power is like keeping a large carnivore as a pet. And sourcing parts, half way round the globe, is keeping your puncture kit at home when out cycling.

Our sensitive leader (physically sick Dave) will probably send a tranche of our money (ability to pay is of no account) to ease his symptoms. Bless.

still not convinced about Blonde, I think, deep down he is a raging Thatcherite...