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Friday 12 November 2010

Sarah McDermott | 10:22 UK time, Friday, 12 November 2010

Here's what we are planning for tonight:

Our Political editor Michael Crick is in Oldham East and Saddleworth tonight. The former minister Phil Woolas is seeking a judicial review of last week's election court verdict that he made false statements in his winning campaign for the seat.

Mr Woolas was barred from standing for elected office for three years and suspended from the Labour Party. Michael is watching preparations for the re-run of the election, and we'll debate the political and legal consequences of the case.

Reports are coming out of Burma that the military authorities have signed an order authorising the release of the pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi. The Nobel laureate has been detained for 15 of the past 21 years, and her house arrest term expires tomorrow.

There has been increased police activity outside her house in Rangoon, but as yet no official confirmation.

Sue Lloyd Roberts who has reported for us extensively from Burma and who met Ms Suu Kyi in 1998, will be bringing us the latest tonight.

Do join Gavin at 10.30pm on ±«Óãtv Two for Friday's Newsnight.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    MORE IS MORE

    Is anyone planning for 'peak growth'?

    We were fine as apes - 'they lie not, neither do they spin'. All this second-order (third/fourth/fifth?) discussion of sub-sets, is angels on a pin.

    Human cleverness has entrapped the Ape; only wisdom, applied way below the level of growth, money, aid, weapons-agreements, climate-claptrap etc, will impact - if anything can.

    Oh - it's all going awfully well.

  • Comment number 2.

    "Our Political editor is in Oldham East and Saddleworth where Labour's Phil Woolas is seeking a judicial review of last week's election court verdict which ruled he made false statements in his winning campaign for the seat."

    Surely some mistake?

    If every time a politician made a false statement they could be removed from office, we would quickly have no politicians as parties generally argue and logic says both can't both be right? If there was a Judicial Review every time this happened our politicians would never do any work?

    Perhaps that's the new anarchist/libertarian deregulative idea to make sure nothing useful ever gets done?

  • Comment number 3.

  • Comment number 4.

    the 'benefit' of the uk only having 13 days gas storage ie more gas market ripoffs

    ..LNG traders are benefiting from the lowest shipping rates in five years and the rising prices to store it on tankers and profit from it when gas prices go up in the coming months. An analyst tells us that costs to buy an LNG cargo in Trinidad & Tobago, store it on a ship for a month and transport it to Britain costs £3.07 per million British thermal units. If we compare with July’ delivery prices of £4.21 per million on London’s ICE Futures exchange, gas traders are having a 39% profit margin...



    British Gas have joined the usual winter 'squeeze the consumer pips' game. The hayekian model of the market as the best 'regulator' isn't working. How many ordinary people can build their own pipleline to an LNG terminal?

  • Comment number 5.

    My thoughts and my heart will for all the forthcoming hours be, as always, with San Suu Kyi.

    Fingers crossed for G20. xxxx

    mim, not on a whim

  • Comment number 6.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 7.

    #4

    How about trying to find out
    What words actually do rhyme with gas?
    Just off the cuff isn't it pass and isn't it past?

    mim

  • Comment number 8.

    #2; and you've never not told the truth as revealed to you by the Jaded One?

    It is clear from the judgment that Woolas' campaign team got a bit carried away with the sixth form debating society rhetoric, crossing the line into real rabble rousing territory and playing the race card dangerously and recklessly.

    I find it astonishing that Labour backbenchers "rebel" against Harman's exclusion of Woolas and that they rail against judges "getting involved in politics"; someone has to sort them out. The Speaker seems powerless.
    And why does he dress like a form-master? Back to sixth form debating.

    IDS has been to the sink estates in Glasgow, Gateshead and Merthyr and has seen what the public sector under NewLabour's aegis has done for these and many other blighted areas of our great nation - absolutely diddly squat apart from secure the Labour vote.

    All power to the Millionaires' Cabinet!

  • Comment number 9.

    The whole world could do with a bit of relaxation; sit back, smell the coffee and ponder the true priorities; then communicate and act.

    The G20, like Copenhagen, has become a fashion parade for consumption back home.

    A bit like the X Factor.

    When it needs to be like Lord Clark's Civilization.

  • Comment number 10.

    "8. At 3:28pm on 12 Nov 2010, kashibeyaz wrote:
    #2; and you've never not told the truth as revealed to you by the Jaded One?"


    Please explain that remark, as it's not clear that a) you understood the post to which you refer b) the fallacy of tu quoque c) the fallacy of the ad hominem.

    These errors make me question whether any of your judgements are rational and whether anyone should take any of your posts seriously.

  • Comment number 11.

    The relevant intelligence agencies knew about the planned riots at Millbank.

    Anyhow, the desired effect was played out for us all to see. Its a game as old as the Greeks.

  • Comment number 12.

    THE WESTMINSTER MONSTER LIVES (#8)

    Allowances scandal and related ejections. Woolas and a few Lords in court. "SMALL BEER" as they say in the 19 bars.

    Westminster is constitutionally, institutionally ROTTEN. It is a citadel defended by jelly ramparts - self healing when pierced, smothering when scaled and indefinable when one attempts to 'address' them. Quixote met nothing like this!

    Westminster is designed to endure. Us and them rules - OK! (Poignant that the Magna Carta was pronounced a stitch-up on Daily Politics - noting changes.) That is the problem. My liar flyer is a far more serious misdemeanour, but my only recourse (in SHORT order) to the police. The Citadel does not a have a 'Complaints Port'.

    While the Westminster Monster lives, we will ALL be devoured, not just maidens, AND SPAT OUT WITH CONTEMPT. We must get an elite band of INDEPENDENTS inside, like a virus, to attack it's immune system. If you feel I am an ignorant nobody, read Martin Bell - A very British Revolution - full, independent endorsement.

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 13.

    Mr Crick, I saw you this afternoon in Uppermill filming a report.

    Why do you and journalists always come to Saddleworth?

    The constituency is OLDHAM EAST and saddleworth.

    Saddleworth is barely 20% of the population of the constituency yet gets 100% of the coverage. Perhaps you could try venturing out to the rest of the area, places such as the town centre, Royton, Shaw, Waterhead, Derker, Sholver, Littlemoor, Greenacres, Roundthorn, St marys, Higginshaw, Clarksfield e.t.c.

    I know you won't, they are rough areas with considerable unemployment and lower class people.

    Saddleworth however is middle and upper class and much more worthy of being visited and reported on.

    Yes, I am from the aforementioned areas.

  • Comment number 14.

    I SUSPECT YOU KNOW - "SADDLEWORTH" IS EDGY IN MEDIA-SPEAK (#13)

    We could place a bet on how many words will be spoken before the word 'murders' is heard. Newsnight might even delight us with a shot of the moor, with that edgy 'antique' effect, and some sombre musack.

    My advice is: RIOT in Oldham East.

  • Comment number 15.

    '14. At 5:20pm on 12 Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    My advice is: IROT in Oldham East.


    Easy Tiger. Stick that on twitter and you'll be in pokey before anyone can intone 'Justice is blind... hard of hearing... and more than running boxes of rocks close on the smarts front'.

    Unless you are a nationally broadcasting TV Producer or Labour MP (no relation). Then you're fine.

  • Comment number 16.

    #14

    Perhaps Don Quixot will reveal sooner or later who it was who started the somber game, or it might in fact be Lad Quixotte. From what I gather she can indeed be quite good round the corners and edge, as per, I suppose, Pete Seegers, 'Turn, turn, turn' and 'We shall overcome' one day.

  • Comment number 17.

    #9

    A bit of relaxation never goes amiss, whether over a cup of coffee, with a glass of wine, or some kind artistic/musical experience. Poetry can always have a relaxing effect, don't you think, kasi?

  • Comment number 18.

    THE END OF THE IRONY AGE (#15)

    I shan't sleep now Junkk. I forgot the Thought Police were doing a special (geddit) on irony this week. Back to the drawing (hanging and quartering) board.

  • Comment number 19.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 20.

    freedom for the Lady of the lake......

  • Comment number 21.

    #19

    It's only natural that dishonest, creepy, manipulative to their own personal advantage and unfaithful to their own country /should/ live in fear though in some countries rather than being sentenced to death they spend the rest of their lives i'n prison.

  • Comment number 22.

    :o) Jeremy's relative, Richie McKay, reached his century on Saturday and is "oldest man in the country who still takes part in competitive club golf with an active handicap."

    Source:

  • Comment number 23.

    It would appear that the proposed reforms to Incapacity Benefit / ESA are already having a significant impact on Car Insurance Premiums, some people having to pay almost double according to ±«Óãtv Watchdog last night. The insurance companies cited significantly increased compensation payments as their reason for increased premiums, no wonder when the means testing of ESA after the first year is the equivalent of losing 350 K at current interest rate if you have over 16k in savings.

  • Comment number 24.




    It doesn’t matter whether the Auctioneer’s fee was five million or six, the total for the vase was around about fifty million dollars.

    A lot of Dinars, an awful lot of Dinars!

    Was it worth it?

    Who knows, who cares!

    Did the buyer get a bargain? Will he appreciate it for it’s aesthetic value or it’s monetary worth?

    Who knows, who cares!

    Will it appreciate in value? Will he ever get a return on his investment? Or will he revel in the sheer pleasure of something that is so desired?

    Whomsoever knows, whomsoever cares!

    What does matter that is that someone - more realistically two ‘somes’ - has in the region of 50 million dollars going spare!

    And where did that money come from?

    Presumably by ......

    Exporting cheap goods - (perhaps) produced by an underpaid and exploited workforce - to countries that are not in the least bothered except in the sense that many may be aghast that a piece of pottery can be ‘worth’ sic so much!

    But then this is just ‘market forces’ some might say?

    (Buying thee raw materials, producing the goods, paying the workforce and yet still accruing enough in profit to have 50 million spare! Hmm! Key word that .... ‘spare’ .... Think about it for a while? A very ‘key word’!)

    A woman and a ‘nephew’ were described as being in shock following the outcome of the auction. (They didn’t even have to spend a pound buying a lottery ticket .... Was that the shock perhaps? Hopefully they will give the recently deceased a good send off? )

    Or will the bigger shock be for the Chinese workforce - assuming there is any realistic chance of the workers ever finding out - when they discover that their ‘Boss’ has got 50 Mil to spend on interior design knick knacks instead of the them being paid a better wage or being given improved social housing?

    As for the beneficiaries, following their inheritance .....

    One hopes they never forget where the money really came from?

    They then might then appreciate what John Major was talking about when he spoke of the ‘trickle down‘ effect?

    Although in this particular case it would best be described as a ....

    Torrential downpour!

  • Comment number 25.

    #22

    Happy Birthday, Richie!!!!100x
    I'm relying on Jeremy to pass on my very best wishes and most kind regards to Richie, the Family and all the guests should Mr McKay be celebrating. If so, with champagne no doubt and delicious refreshments.

    Thanks in advance

    Monika(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)(^_^)

  • Comment number 26.

    #25 update

    Mistress76uk

    I have now read the article on Mr McKay. Although the family celebrations may have already happened, I shouldn't think it's too late to pass on this grand gentleman my wishes as per #25.

  • Comment number 27.

    It could be a heartbreaking story of one’s path to one’s glory.
    In this case it’s a combination question
    Of determination, imagination, vocation, elation,
    And fascination of the great wonders one’s lucky to witness,
    Those of nature, human creation and experience
    Though, alas, unavoidable privation.

  • Comment number 28.

    SECULARIZATION AND THE IRONY STAGE

    "18. At 6:35pm on 12 Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    THE END OF THE IRONY AGE (#15)

    I shan't sleep now Junkk. I forgot the Thought Police were doing a special (geddit) on irony this week. Back to the drawing (hanging and
    quartering) board. "

    The police are apparently sending out advertising blurbs to schools saying they would like to come and do shows on terrorism. Given that these schools are quite full of Muslim kids (S Aian, Turkish etc) some senior teachers are a bit concerned about the agenda. Not long ago, senior people in the Islamic community warned Parliament that secularising Muslim youth wouldn't be a good thing as it would undermine elders' restraint on youth criminogenic risk, and I suspect they are quite right (Muslims are below average risk).

    Might the boys and girls in blue have been captured as useful idiots to groom more bankers' fodder one wonders? Islam is about brotherhood - brothers are forbidden to lend money at interest to each other, hence the taboo against usury in Islam. With a growing a Muslim population, one wonders if this has alarmed our caring financial service sector who've asked PC plod to go and do their business and scare Muslims into being just like other borrowers given supply is running short.....

  • Comment number 29.

    We are running back to the dark ages...



    Now is that because the government don't want any complaints about halal/kosher slaughter, perhaps they are going to permit slaughter only in that way.

    We become more and more primitive every day.

  • Comment number 30.

    #29

    I beg to differ, Ecolizzy. Some of us getting more and more sophisticated but perhaps this fact, which should have become plainly obvious by now, escapes your perception. I don't think the same could be said about the animals, however, although I did see a beautiful, one could almost say elegant, swann yesterday having a stroll on the main walkway, in between the big lake and the Kensington Palace. It was definitely an image to remember. especially that it was surrounded by other birds, including pigeons.

    mim

  • Comment number 31.

    #28

    The Thought Police never sleep, not really, mr fable table.

  • Comment number 32.

    BAITING NOT BADGERING? (#29)

    In this Edgy Age of Infotainment, few now experience the satisfaction of 'thinking through' a matter of interest or concern. Regarding Badger TB, the last paragraph of this article, about soil depletion and the immune system, is a good place to start.

    .

    Populist bandwagons rarely get us anywhere - look at 'climate'!

    I have been applying nutritional (in the broadest sense) 'prevention' to a number of 'dilapidations' of my own ageing body, with great success. As far as I am aware (!) no one plans to cull me yet - other than myself, that is.

  • Comment number 33.

    BADGER TAIL - 50 FRUIT AND VEG A DAY! (#32)

  • Comment number 34.

    @ Ecolizzy #29 - it's true, we are going backwards :o(
    It's bad enough having battery hens, but the fact that the chickens are mutilated makes it even worse - particularly the fact that this is normal practice. As for slaughterhouse cruelty...The Protection of Animals Act (made in 1911) fails to be implemented in practice, otherwise animals would not be subjected to such horrific torture.

  • Comment number 35.

    :o) Jeremy's photograph of the decade

  • Comment number 36.

    :o( RIP Polish Composer Henryk Górecki
    (You'll know him for his famous "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs")

  • Comment number 37.

    29. At 00:24am on 13 Nov 2010, ecolizzy wrote:
    We are running back to the dark ages...



    Now is that because the government don't want any complaints about halal/kosher slaughter, perhaps they are going to permit slaughter only in that way.

    This is another load of eco-fascist crap thankfully flushed down the toilet of history, no wonder our country is knackered when it would apparently appear that so many care more more about animals than people.

    Well done that Agriculture Minister !

    Nothing wrong with halal etc either if its done properly speaking as a person who's grandfather was a butcher trained before the first war.

  • Comment number 38.

    #35

    I've read it already, Mistress76uk, and have responded with my own thoughts on the subject.

    mim

  • Comment number 39.

    #36

    Thanks for that, Mistress76uk. I've learnt of his death from one of the Polish websites. In the past, I've heard a bit of his music but not really enough and am planning, to listen to his musical pieces as available on utube. I also remember seeing a snippet of him on the telly, probably in Poland, sitting at the piano talking about one of his compositions.

    mim

  • Comment number 40.

    #34

    Are you referring to the headless chicken that Barrie Singleton sometimes refers to, Mistress76uk? If so, it shouldn't be perching itself on the 'object' where it's not welcome.

  • Comment number 41.

    #33

    Badger's, or headless chicken's tail, singie, or 2 in 1 in fact?

  • Comment number 42.

    #32

    I don't know about culling but something will be happening to you, singie, I'm quite sure of it.

  • Comment number 43.

    #43 what is its fee???

  • Comment number 44.

    Oh, the smuggest of posters sings this song,

    "Tabble - nabble"

    Oh, the pseudo scientific fol-de-rol,

    Jaded Jean's away!

    Jaded Jean held sway,

    O'er Barrie and MissUK,

    But the moderators had enough,

    So it's Tabble's time to play.

    Sing raucously to the (approximate) tune of "The Camptown Races"; it seemed appropriate for all sorts of reasons.

    Blame Mimska Polskaya.And Saturday raki.Yassou!

  • Comment number 45.

    Earlier today I listened to an iterview with Mr and Mrs Perlman talking about the great value to one's soul and health inn general to the point, according to Mrs Perlman, whereby that if we all sang more then perhaps psychiatrists would be left with not many patients at all, if any. The interview with a very pleasant American journalist s available on utibe.

    Mr Perlman and Mr Kennedy are amongst my favourite violin players, sharing with their listeners a bit more than just correct rendition of what they learned i'n the respective musical colleges.

    Thank you, gentlemen.

    Monika

  • Comment number 46.

    Well, Deep Thought had the number, but to such a question.

    Got to love those mods and what seems fine to let through.

    Good job a blog is not twitter, or that lady judge may again be called upon to decide what may be felt... menacing.

    I certainly can't fathom what would, and cannot pass muster any more.

  • Comment number 47.

    Judges determine law not politics. if a law was broken it is right judges make a verdict.


    was the editor duped? Incompetent? Devious? In any case how can Cameron not have his judgement questioned for employing a dupe, an incompetent or a deviant?

  • Comment number 48.

    Why do people enter politics? Who decides the weather forecast for the Sahara?Is there a quorum for decisions taken in an ant colony? Why is Istanbul so chaotic? Is there a connection between Dunfermline and Forfar? Where can one purchase hand knitted woollen socks for cats? Why are the British so stolid? Is a bell necessary on a bike? Can birds really converse with humans? What is the objective of this blog? How many teaspoons of sugar does it take to produce a saturated solution of tea in an American sized cup?

  • Comment number 49.

    WHY DID THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ISSUE THIS FLYER? (#48)



    Why can't I get anyone to either: tell me it is true, or address it as a lie?

    Get answers to those questions, and we might just know the answer to your first, Kash.

  • Comment number 50.

    #46

    You could ask a bird to make you a pair of socks
    But don't ask me
    I don't knit those
    I buy them in sores.
    And that I'm getting on age wise
    I buy them bright.
    With a few of them with stars.

  • Comment number 51.

    #47

    Judges may not determine politics
    But they do judge the wicked
    Whether a politician
    Or physician.

  • Comment number 52.

    tony gives yale students the benefit

    ..Tony Blair on the Promises & Perils of Globalization ...



    he starts off with a carry on up the khyber joke [ Mr Belcher : 'money is a burden let me relieve you of that burden'] but in not so funny a way as the carry on film.

    rambles on about globalisation ie what we know as making china rich and us poor.

    he rambles on without saying anything.

  • Comment number 53.

  • Comment number 54.

    "44. At 4:22pm on 13 Nov 2010, kashibeyaz wrote"

    Like so many, you assume too much and confuse smug with direct.

    What's more, like several ill informed posters here, you appear to have difficulty discerning what's important from what isn't, even after you've been corrected.

    Two things worth noting: 1) Libertarian self-centred ways are in recession (talk of a recovery being desperately exaggerated). 2) Much that's become de rigueur in recent decades will soon be passe. 3) If you people don't catch on to what's said, they'll be left behind. 4) Obstinately challenging what one doesn't like when it's demonstrably true is self-defeating.

  • Comment number 55.

  • Comment number 56.

    Barrie #32

    it is simply not true to say that badgers were not responsible for bovine TB in the 1950s and in actual fact there was a mass cull of badgers which almost eliminated TB by at least the late 1960s. It was common knowledge that badgers caused TB then, remember the climate change scam, the eco-fascists also want to get rid of the small farmers so they can move into the countryside on the cheap. Therefore the science has become a scam, along with many other sciences we could once rely on. The salt lick theory is far to simplistic.

  • Comment number 57.

    COMMENT (#52link #55link)

    Thanks Jaunty. Blair is a one-man encapsulation of the madness of our time. If his audience is as elevated as he makes out, few will come back; and THEY will all be doing sociology courses.

    That he is STILL being paid for such vacuousness, beggars belief. At least now it is 'academic' what he apouts.

    Thanks Bro.I could not find the Tru TV programme. I hope it becomes available. Was it/will it be knobbled?

  • Comment number 58.

    52. At 8:29pm on 13 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "he rambles on without saying anything."


    Isn't the essential task of a good libertarian politician to appear to the masses to be fully in control whilst actually doing absolutely nothing to impede the natural ebb and flow of market-forces as they determine value?

    Ever read any on the anarchistic forces at work in Britain, and ask where all the 'far left' were up to whilst New Labour were 'in power'?

    .

  • Comment number 59.

    NOT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT BRO (#56)

    I wasn't aware I had said anything was true, exept my own experience.

    Just reporting that my personal 'salt lick' is beneficial, so there might be, perhaps, something in it.

    My salt lick has seen off problems that GPs (received wisdom?) regard as irreversible. It makes me a bit biased perhaps.

  • Comment number 60.

    barrie #33

    Of course some government back in the 1980s withdrew the subsidy for spreading lime and basic slag on the land ?

  • Comment number 61.

    My 70 odd year old auntie has a small rented from the council farm the Preston side of Chorley where the land is in fact deficient in minerals, and its impossible to finish beef cattle to the required shine. She was still doing dairy up to a couple of years ago, but now she has moved into sucklers because its far less work. I believe that every year she gets the vet to give her breeding cattle stock a long term stock slow release minerals infusion to compensate, and I suspect that most farmers in similar circumstances do the same, she is pretty tight with brass.

  • Comment number 62.

    #37 So none of this is true then brossen? The man is lying or making it all up in your view?



    You do realise it's not an instant death, it takes minutes for the animal to die and in pain and fear. The BVA thoroughly disaprove of it, and recommend stunning, which I believe does happen to a lot of the halal slaughtered animals. Much research has been carried out into it, and it has been proved cruel not to stun an animal before death.

    And no I'm not a vegetarian or an animal rights person, but I don't like animals being tortured. And yes I've been in three conventional abbatoirs, delivering Foden parts with my husband.

  • Comment number 63.

    mr s. and mr t.
    that may be something up your street:
    [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]
    what do you two think?
    is it up your street or is it a tweet?
    bitter is it or sweet?
    or maybe it is something to do with salt lick?
    what do you two think?
    and what does think mr nimber three?
    perhaps instead he's thinking of beef?
    or a cow grazing the grass in the field?
    what do you three think?
    If you answer, I shall spread the word
    both in villages and the world's streets.

    mim

  • Comment number 64.

    #63 addendum

    The link that the Mods have removed, which I understand why given the ±«Óãtv guidelines, is a musical video by Vitalic called 'Second Lives'. Let's hope this message does not break the rules.

    mim

    Good Sunday, Mods

  • Comment number 65.

    #48 kashi

    "....What is the objective of this blog?"

    Good question. Subject that to any blog/MB/Tweet.......

    Que?

    Nothing more than a bunch of spineless tadpoles trying to convince ourselves that our narcissistic deluded, self centred, XFactor like repetitive mutterings make one bks of difference to anything. Or that we have the answers. Know better. Know anything. Talk is Sooooooo cheap.

    Guilty as charged M’Lud.

    Then some of us are just deluded.

    Case dismissed.

    Perhaps we come from Barcelona.

  • Comment number 66.

    58

    the far left went into 'climate activism' which is why it developed absurd language such as 'climate justice' and has led to a multi billion climate carbon tax on us that is given to china while they build more coal power stations. The far left keep bigging up china as 'an example' forever making excuses for the pirates.

    clearly the good was not the highest idea of the mind in their case.

  • Comment number 67.

    Please may I invite the bloggers and whoever else might be browsing through these pages to take a close look at Doris Lessing, the 11th female Nobel Prize Winner in her garden? Doesn't this lady look lovely surrounded by her plants and flowers?:



    Monika

  • Comment number 68.

    #65

    Case dismissed? That's news to me.

  • Comment number 69.

    What do I care about your number game
    When my mind and my heart are
    On a quite different from that of yours plane?
    Sometimes most rational, sometimes in flames
    While sometimes almost painfully human?

    mim

  • Comment number 70.

    #69 addendum

    Perhaps I ought to have said:
    What so I care about your numbers and number plate game, etc

  • Comment number 71.


    "44. At 4:22pm on 13 Nov 2010, kashibeyaz......."

    I note you rarely, if ever, have anything objective to say. Instead, what you post tends to be just your own personal, usually cynical opinions. I take that behaviour as a marker. Can you tell us how and why you think those contributions are of value to others (beyond questionable entertainment value)? Do you use this blog to inform and be informed, or do you use it for entertainment? Do you discern any difference? Do you see this blog, or this country, as a source of supply? What is your substantive contribution?

    , awaiting the Spring.... The world is still waiting. How were ETS going to improve literacy and numeracy levels ceteras paribus? Many of us that you think smug really don't know.

  • Comment number 72.

    66. At 09:32am on 14 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "The far left keep bigging up china as 'an example' forever making excuses for the pirates."

    Does look like the far-left?

    You do appreciate that the are libertarian free-market anarchists? These may well be (unwitting?) for those in Wall Street/City financiers and the retailers/entrepreneurs they primarily fund These are people like The Dragons. These may be seen as are either 'Enemies of The People' if they undermine the state as agents against a massive public sector or don't take state benefits as they don't contribute to the state by working for the people (but themselves). As I understand it, in China, those in the Private Sector don't get state benefits, only those who work for the people (state) do.

    This of which you frequently speak? What is it? Might it be a figment of your imagination, like 'the good'?

    It isn't what people mean, or think, or say that they do which ever matters. It's just the consequences of their publicly observable actions. That's what people are always held to account for (if they are considered legally sane).

  • Comment number 73.

    #72

    Are you quite sure that your own head is enough sane
    That couldn't one day be legally held
    To account for the actions you're uo to
    And insist on whatever you do ?
    It seems to me it might do you good
    To stop immediately with no mor ado.

  • Comment number 74.

    #73

    Good does exist
    Only a fool wouldn't believe
    There is much good
    Both i'n high places and in the streets,
    At home, at work and in the kirk.

    mim

  • Comment number 75.

    :p Size matters!

  • Comment number 76.

    I am shocked and disgusted by this. Nazis were given "safe haven" in the US.

  • Comment number 77.

    #76

    A most informative post, Mistress76uk, an example of how sick to the bone cruel and vile tyrannical murderers get away occasionally, something which seems still true today. 'Funnily' enough:

    I've just been to HL though
    I'm back feeling relatively bright,
    But I'm relatively tired,
    Particularly because of the 'testing trial'

  • Comment number 78.

    #77 addendum

    Instead of the adjective 'testing' I could have used another one, like for example, 'experimental' though thinking about 'testing' one could say that 'testing' could be considered to have a hidden meaning.

  • Comment number 79.

    72

    all 'things' are figments of imagination otherwise they could not be things.

    The imagination is that which puts an artificial boundary around things after which things can be named hence language.

    without imagination placing boundaries there would be no language.

    the good is in the dictionary. look it up. i do understand some have a phobia about the word good and would prefer it was not in there.

  • Comment number 80.

    #75

    Mistress76uk, real pandas have probably been on this Earth of ours for as long as the humans, if not longer, so if they are threatened with extinction, I shouldn't think it's anything to do with the proportions of their bodies or the percentage of the size of their body parts/members but rather due to the enterprisng behaviour of some of us, people.

    Having just read up a bit about pandas in the free Wikipedia, I've learned, which I didn't know at all, that pandas have served the Chinese diplomatically, so to speak, and if you read the chapter entitled 'Panda Diplomacy', you'll see that it's been going on since 1970:



    mim

  • Comment number 81.

    #79

    I didn't think that things had so much to do with imagination but rather the nature of the function of the human brain, i.e. perception though it seems be true that the fact we humans are born with imagination has helped with language creation.

    Animals also see 'things'. If not they would be bumping into objects non stop but unlike us people they do not give them a linguistic form.

  • Comment number 82.

    79. At 8:33pm on 14 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "the good is in the dictionary. look it up. i do understand some have a phobia about the word good and would prefer it was not in there."

    There are many terms in use which you won't find in the English dictionary. That's because there are many more languages than English in use. Some of these are the languages of the sciences (e.g. Neuroscience, Behaviour Analysis Physics, chemistry etc).

    Beware - the limits of most people's worlds are just the limits of their Natural Languages (to paraphrase Wittgenstein).

  • Comment number 83.

    82

    languages do have a limit. witty was a shell shocked autistic who raged against language as if limit was 'evil'. which is why his unthinking followers do the same.

    if people start talking in terms no one understands because they think it 'clever' or 'superior' then they should not get constantly frustrated if no one understands what they talk about and are regarded as irrelevant?



  • Comment number 84.

    81

    never seen a cat or dog dream?

    if something participates in the intellect then they will have the properties in some degree of the intellect. Humans can vocalise more than any other species.

  • Comment number 85.

    doggies or 52, anyone?



    Do you think deeply that the Vitalic's under the influence of the ±«Óãtv static??

  • Comment number 86.

    #82

    Who is it exactly that you have teamed up with?
    SRS, AM or CBE HM? I know for a fact that the CBE does know the PC.
    I can no longer keep my lipsticked mouth shut
    Isn't it time for the FINAL & DEFINITIVE CUT?

  • Comment number 87.

    #84

    How do you know that they dream?
    Perhaps what they get is only a stream
    Of images they've seen
    When wide awake during their sleep?

  • Comment number 88.

    It goes down quite well the Vitalic
    Where I live up in the attic
    Called sometimes by a teddy bear
    ‘The Sky Suite’ and please do be aware
    That I do have a tooth that is rather sweet
    Though I mainly post here and never to tweet.

    mim

  • Comment number 89.

    The Chandlers, sailors, have been released –
    Who wouldn’t be pleased?:
    /news/uk-11754758
    mim

  • Comment number 90.

    Baroness Ford, a banker with a no nonsense but commonsense vision where ‘ordinary’ people are thought of with all kinds of disciplines being taken into account, like arts & entertainment, business, housing and places of refreshments and beauty:
    "This is no vanity project, there is a very strong drive to claw back value from the park….’
    /news/business-11742728
    Monika

  • Comment number 91.

    I laughed until I cried...



    So where are the british graduates etc going to work, India?

    No U turns with our Dave then?!

  • Comment number 92.

    WITH DAVE IT'S MORE A CASE OF 'U-BENDS' (#91)

    Our government takes place in a CHAMBER, our leaders are all FLUSH with disposable unearned income, and we are going down the TUBES (and round the bend).

    How long before Johnnie Foreigner is is taking container-loads of service-workers, with soft degrees, from UK, TO DO THE JOBS JF WON'T DO!

    Oh - it's all going awfully well - don'tcha know.

  • Comment number 93.

    92. At 10:19am on 15 Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    WITH DAVE IT'S MORE A CASE OF 'U-BENDS' (#91)

    Our government takes place in a CHAMBER, our leaders are all FLUSH with disposable unearned income, and we are going down the TUBES (and round the bend).

    How long before Johnnie Foreigner is is taking container-loads of service-workers, with soft degrees, from UK, TO DO THE JOBS JF WON'T DO!
    "

    Excellent rhetoric ('narrative') as usual Barrie - A* in fact - but where's the analysis? Where's the plan of action? Where is your grasp of policies?

    It seems to me that you're doing pretty much what you criticise these politicians for - i.e. prizing style over substance. Putting appearance before reality. In other words you're just competing in the same game.
    You're good at that, but what is the point exactly? Spoiling Party Games is in practice an anarchist mantra. But as anarchism is our problem, how can your behaviour help? Surely it can just make things worse as it is part of the problem not the solution?

    An illustration:

    19. At 3:27pm on 11 Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    19. At 3:27pm on 11 Nov 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    OY KASH! WOT YOU DOIN ON MY CASE?

    And who's 'Moody Interrogator'? Some relative of Mrs Lopsided?

    If I had half an idea what you are on about, I'd report you.

    I spend all my waking hours composing, and you condense me into 7 lines AND ONE OF THOSE IS SHORT.


    You don't se this because it's anathema. But it is true.

  • Comment number 94.

    I GOT A-STAR FROM TEACHER YOU DUMMIES (#93)

    AND he implies I have enough (misapplied) talent to join his gang!

    So long suckers - I am off to be Bluebottle02 to Tab's NeddySeagoon02.

    Skipping all the way.

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