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An estimated four million people – mostly women and children – have escaped from Ukraine and its war. Host Karnie Sharp hears from two Ukrainian mental health professionals who discuss the impact of war on the minds of children. One is a psychiatrist who remains in the capital Kyiv, and the other a child psychologist who fled the country a few weeks ago and is now safe in Germany with her family.

During the fifth week of the Russian invasion there were fresh face to face peace talks in Turkey. Russia said it would cut back military operations around the city of Chernihiv and the capital, and focus on the eastern region of Donbas, which borders Russia. Russia was quick to say it was not a ceasefire and there has been no let-up in attacks on Ukraine.

We hear from Andriy Kulykov, a journalist in Kyiv, and - as warning sirens sound - Dmytro Yaroshenko. He’s a student from Donbas who is now studying in Lviv, in western Ukraine.

(Photo: A child, a Ukrainian refugee, looks at Polish soldiers from the train carriage before disembarking at Przemysl Glowny train station, after fleeing the Russian invasion of Ukraine, in Przemysl, Poland, March 27, 2022. Credit: Hannah McKay/Reuters)