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Sara Orchard and Kat Merchant take a breath after the Black Ferns edged another win over the Red Roses in a breathless world cup final full of drama and skill. They react to the early red card which meant that England had a mountain to climb, and how despite keeping a hold of New Zealand for most of the game, heartbreak eventually befell the tourists with the final score 34-31. As well as hearing from New Zealand’s Ruby Tui, England’s captain Sarah Hunter and head coach Simon Middleton, we also catch up with Chris Jones, Ugo Monye and Giselle Mather who joined fans at Twickenham to watch the game early doors. Sara and Kat reflect on what has been an incredible day for women’s rugby, and what the future looks like for players and coaches in both hemispheres.