The Ouch Quizmas Special 2020
The Christmas quiz featuring festive dilemmas and the big disability news of the year.
This yearâs Ouch Christmas quiz features some very topical dilemmas and questions based on the biggest disability news and events of 2020.
Actor Mat Fraser, comedian Rosie Jones and Paralympian âHurricaneâ Hannah Cockcroft fight it out for no prizes whatsoever as they share their take on the last 12 months.
Youâre shielding but your flatmate brings a stranger home from their work Christmas party. Do you get angry, or get even? Why is Mat looking for his special bell? And which contestant isnât wearing trousers?
Presented by Kate Monaghan and Simon Minty.
Produced by Keiligh Baker and edited by Drew Miller Hyndman.
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Transcript
[Jingle: Ouch. Welcome to the Ouch Christmas quiz 2020]Â Just a quick content warning - this podcast features some mild bad language.
SIMON -Â Hello, and welcome to the annual Ouch Christmas quiz with me, Simon Minty.
KATE -  And me, Kate Monaghan. Itâs been a strange old year for everyone hasnât it, so we hope this festive themed quiz will bring a little bit of joy to you, and as always, feel free to play along at home. This year weâre joined by three wonderful guests who are all vying for the honour of winning. And whilst thereâs no physical prize, the honour of being named champion master or mistress of Ouch quiz-ness is surely reward enough.Â
SIMON - It is a cracking line up. Our first guest is the amazing actor, Mat Fraser, who has starred in âHis Dark Materialsâ and âAmerican Horror Story Freakshowâ and was most recently seen and heard performing âCripTalesâ for ±«Óătv Four and ±«Óătv America. But here at Ouch heâs best known for being one of the original podcast, maybe even one of the best, podcast presenters.Â
KATE -Â Â Male. Best male presenters, maybe. Maybe.Â
SIMON - Oh, easyâŠ
MAT -Â Not best, certainly male, and one of the first. Hi. Itâs pretty amazing to be back here with you guys. Iâm thrilled.
SIMON -Â Itâs a homecoming, and weâre thrilled to have you back. Thanks, Mat.
KATE -Â Â Weâre also joined by comedian and actor, Rosie Jones, whoâs regularly on shows, including âThe Last Legâ, âMock the Weekâ, â8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdownâ and âHypotheticalâ. Sheâs also performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and appeared in TV dramas, âSilent Witnessâ and âShakespeare and Hathawayâ. Most recently Rosie appeared on âQuestion Timeâ and sheâs won a very cool âAttitudeâ magazine award, which I was very jealous of, Rosie. So, Rosie, where are you talking to us from today?
ROSIE - I am in my flat in North London, in my bedroom, and weâre filming this at half nine and I got up about ten minutes ago. Â
KATE -Â Nice, nice. See, this is the joy of this new world order isnât it? Everyone can just stumble out of bed and straight to work.
ROSIE -Â Yeah. I love it because I can do comedy gigs now, naked from the waist down.Â
KATE -Â Is that what youâre doing right now? Do you have trousers on or are you just going to leave us guessing?
ROSIE -Â Absolutely no trousers at all.
SIMON -Iâve done a few gigs with Rosie recently. Yeah, theyâve been very interesting.Â
ROSIE -Â Well, one time I stood up, Iâm very sorry. [Laughter]
SIMON -Okay, letâs move on, letâs move on. Last but certainly not least, our final contestant is the Paralympian known as Hurricane Hannah, who has won more gold medals and broken more world records than Iâve had hot dinners. Welcome Hannah Cockcroft. I imagine that as an athlete this yearâs been a very strange one to you. So what do sporty types do during a global pandemic?
HANNAH -Just keep going. Just keep training. It has been a very strange year, not being at the track every day or in the gym, but I havenât stopped, Iâve still been in my chair. Iâve just had to be very creative with how Iâve done the training, and it actually turned out all right. I became British Champion for the first time, I broke four world records in four hours. Iâve had quite a decent year to say Iâve been stuck in the garage. [Laughs]
MAT -Well, how do you bust four world records in a garage?
HANNAH -Ah, so that was, we actually had one track meet this year. We had two track meets, one was the British Championships and one was in Stoke Mandeville, so I did that there, but yeah, the rest of the time Iâve just been training in my garage. So maybe thatâs what I need to do, maybe I need to avoid tracks altogether, and gyms, and just sit in my garage. Maybe thatâs how itâs done.
SIMON -You can keep your motivation going, even knowing that all the big championships were postponed?
HANNAH -Yeah, that was a different story. [Laughs] Yeah, motivationâs not been as easy, Iâm lucky to live with my boyfriend whoâs also a Paralympian, so we kind of guilt tripped each other into training every day. So, you know, if he went training Iâd feel really bad and feel like I had to get mine done, or vice versa. I think without that this year could have been a very, very different story.
KATE -Â Yeah, there was no training going on in my house. The only motivation me and my wife gave each other was, âShall we have another chocolate?â âYeah, go on then, yeah.â
SIMON -Hannah, youâve just said youâve broken world records, youâve won gold in 2012 and 2016, so are you feeling competitive today?
HANNAH -I am, but Iâm slightly worried that Iâm not going to know the answers, so letâs see how this goes.Â
KATE -Â Okay, letâs crack on with the quiz. Thereâs three rounds, 15 points up for grabs, but the adjudicator will have an additional five marks she can award for particularly creative or funny answers.Â
KATE -Â So, itâs time for round one, the quick fire round, featuring all the best disability news of 2020. Is everybody ready?
MAT -[Sings] You bet your life we are.Â
HANNAH -Letâs go.
KATE -Â Okay. So, weâre starting off with one that I feel like you should be evicted from the disability club if you do not know the answer to this.
HANNAH -Oh, no.
KATE - SoâŠ
SIMON -Do they just shout answers? HowâŠ? They havenât got a buzzer or anything.Â
MAT -I was looking for my bell. Whereâs my arsehole bell?Â
SIMON -Your arsehole bell?
MAT -Yeah, we have a bell. Me and my wife, Julie, when tensions get too much, as they have been wont to do amongst couples during lockdown, right guys?
KATE -Â Yeah.
MAT -Well, before it goes, âI canât take this anymore!â you know, before you do that bit, you go ding-a-ling-a-ling which is an announcement, you are being an arsehole. And somehow it sort of breaks the really bad vibe and we start laughing about it and disaster is often averted. However, I canât find my arsehole bell.Â
ROSIE -Â What if we say our name?Â
HANNAH -That makes more sense. Thatâs too sensible.
KATE -Â Okay, whatâs everyone going to say if they know the answer? Weâre doing this over Zoom for the first time, so we have no idea what weâre doing. So right, Mat, letâs hear you?
MAT -Mat Fraser.
KATE -Â Hannah?
HANNAH -Hannah Cockcroft.Â
KATE -Â Rosie?
ROSIE -Â Rosie! [Laughter]
KATE -Â Excellent.Â
SIMON -You were so ready for that.Â
KATE -Â Okay, so question number one. Which civil rights law turned 25 this year?Â
ROSIE -Â Rosie.Â
SIMON -Rosie Jones.Â
ROSIE -Â Â Its nickname is Alfâs Act, but itâs the Disability Discrimination Act.Â
KATE -Â Very good, Rosie Jones.Â
SIMON -And the Alf bit being Alf Morris, who was one of the proponents?
ROSIE -Â Yeah. I thought Iâd add that in, in the hope of getting a bonus point. Can you tell Iâm competitive?Â
MAT -Right, got your number.Â
SIMON -Nice job. Okay, well done, Rosie, first point. Itâs still up for grabs everybody. The Power Snow Sports Championships â Hannah â have been postponed to 2022 amid the COVID-19 pandemic, but where will they now take place?
MAT -Mat Fraser.
SIMON - Mat?
MAT -Siberia.Â
SIMON -Really close, but no.Â
KATE -Â And not that close. Also no.Â
SIMON -Scandinavian countries, everybody.
ROSIE -Â Rosie.
SIMON -Rosie Jones?
ROSIE -Â Norway.
SIMON -Congratulations.Â
HANNAH -Ah!
KATE -Â Oh! I can tell that was a total shot in the dark. Question number three, which is a sore point for me, Iâm just going to put that out there, and Iâm going to tell you for why. Because the Ouch team had a pact between ourselves that weâd all nominate each other for the Disability Power List 100 this year. Somebody did stick to the pact. Somebody did not stick to the pact. [Laughs] And therefore one of the hosts of the Ouch podcast got nominated on the Disability Power 100 and the other person did not. Simon, did you get nominated on the Disability Power 100 this year?
SIMON -Is⊠Is this the question?
MAT -Simon.Â
KATE -Â Thatâs the question.Â
ROSIE -Â Rosie.
MAT -Mat Fraser.Â
ROSIE -Â Yes. [Laughter]
KATE -Â Just airing our dirty laundry in public there.
SIMON -I canât believe you didnât make it, Kate. You deserve it. I do remember last year us all sitting around pretty miserable that no one had got anywhere near the list, yeah. So yeah.
KATE -Â Sorry, right. So the question, after all that, the question is who was named number one on the Disability Power 100 in 2020.Â
HANNAH -Hannah Cockcroft.Â
SIMON -Hannah Cockcroft?
HANNAH -Nikki Fox.Â
SIMON -Yay!
KATE -Â Correct. She did, our very own Nikki Fox.Â
HANNAH -Right, Iâm in the game now. Right, I just needed one just to get going and now Iâm all right.Â
SIMON -Okay, letâs make a pact now, we will all nominate each other.
KATE -Â Donât listen to him!Â
SIMON -Come on everybody.Â
HANNAH -He just wants all the nominations. Iâve worked him out. Itâs right.Â
KATE -Â Yeah. Yes, he does. Heâs all talk, that one over there.Â
SIMON -Nikki Fox, ±«Óătv correspondent, came in at number one, and well done, Nikki, is what I say. In June Ellie Goldstein, an 18 year old from Essex who has Downâs syndrome, modelled for Gucci, and became one of the companyâs most popular ever photos on Instagram. So, this is the nearest. How many people liked the picture?
MAT -Mat Fraser.
SIMON -Mat Fraser?
MAT -Two and a half million.
SIMON -Bit high. Bit lower, is the answer.Â
MAT -Four. [Laughter]
SIMON -No, itâs a bit more than that.Â
MAT -Iâm backing out.Â
ROSIE -Â Rosie.
SIMON -Go, youâve got a free run.
ROSIE -Â 1.2 million.Â
SIMON -Okay. Closer. Hannah?
KATE -Â A bit closer.
HANNAH -Hannah Cockcroft. 1.9 million.
KATE -Â I think Rosie gets the point there for being the closest.Â
SIMON -She does.
HANNAH -What was the answer?
KATE -Â It was actually 863,000 people.Â
SIMON -Iâve got a serious question. Do you think this is a turning point? Doing all the representation stuff, weâve got Ellie being in fashion, is it changing? Is it moving? Is this a good time?
MAT -Yeah.
ROSIE -Â Yeah. Yeah. I think it is, but slowly. I can only speak from my point of view as a comedian. When I started five years ago you barely saw any disability in comedy on TV and weâre getting there now. Weâve got disabled people on telly, in magazines, winning awards. So weâre getting there, but when you think one in five people have a disability that isnât represented not nearly enough. So yeah, itâs good, weâre getting better, but weâre not there yet.Â
MAT -Yeah, and 1.2 million was exactly the budget of the feature length film that I had the lead in with Lisa Hammond in 2003 for ±«Óătv Films, called âEvery Time You Look At Meâ. And since then there has not been anything like it. So on the one hand everything Rosie says is completely true and we do see disabled people and hear disabled people shot through our media in factual, light entertainment, drama, comedy, whatever, a lot more than there was, but itâs still nowhere near representative. It is getting better, but weâre on the precipice of being able to take the reins of control of our own portrayal and perception, and thatâs when the real cultural shift will change.
KATE - The change is definitely gradual, but I think people are getting committed to it at least and stuff like âCripTalesâ which, Mat, was incredible, like you have to be super proud of that. Itâs insane that itâs not been on ±«Óătv One yet, so the Controller of ±«Óătv OneâŠ
MAT -You can pull a few strings, Kate and Simon?
KATE -Â Yeah, yeah, Iâll get it sorted out, yeah. Iâll go and have a chat with them, yes.
MAT -It was the best thing Iâve ever done in my life, on many levels. I mean, if anybody doesnât know what âCripTalesâ is it was a series of six 15 minute monologues, filmed in beautiful ±«Óătv high quality drama vibes. All six writers were disabled, the directors were disabled, all the actors were disabled. It was completely authoritative and authentic. And that bled from the work, you could see it. And I donât think anybody watching that will ever go, âOh, can we go back to having non disabled people write for actors who are pretending to look disabled please? I liked it better when it was like that.â
KATE - Yeah. Weâre getting a bit serious for the Christmas quiz I feel, I feel like we need to bring it back. Question number five is which popstar recently caused a furore with the release of the trailer for her new film, âMusicâ, whichâŠ?
ROSIE -Â Rosie.
KATE -Â Ah, I didnât even need to finish the question. Youâve got to wait for the question to end, okay?
MAT -She is a very dishonest cheater, thatâs quite apparent.
ROSIE -Â Iâm hungry for it. Sorry.
HANNAH -Iâm just hungry.Â
KATE -Â So whatâs the answer, Rosie?
ROSIE -Â Sia.Â
KATE -Â And why are we all cross about it?Â
ROSIE -Â Non disabled actors should not still be playing disabled characters in 2020. Weâre better than that. Itâs frankly offensive and archaic and it makes me so angry I want to punch a wall.Â
MAT -You know what? You know whatâs really nice? I donât have to say that stuff anymore, because I have been saying it for 25 years, and now, thankfully, Rosie, younger people are saying it. Because theyâre quite rightly outraged that itâs still going on.Â
HANNAH -Yeah, I actually love Sia but yeah, Iâm disappointed.Â
KATE -Â Same.
HANNAH -I saw it, and I couldnât believe⊠I more was disappointed. Obviously Iâm disappointed by the film, but I was more disappointed by her reaction, you know, when everyone came out and said what they had to say, she just⊠You have to take criticism on board at some point and realise that the world is trying to change and youâre pulling it backwards. And she just didnât want to accept that.
SIMON -Okay, carry on the quiz, round two. The second round is a game of Christmas dilemmas, with a disability twist obviously. This one is a regular feature of the Ouch Christmas quiz. Weâre going to come to one of you and then you can reply and then weâll open it up to the rest of you if thatâs okay. So no more shouting names. Hannah, itâs the work Christmas party which somehow has been allowed to take place in your local pub. One very unlikely couple have ignored the social distancing rules and have been getting increasingly amorous all evening, to everyoneâs horror and amusement. You soon realise youâre dying for a wee, but as you make your way to the only accessible loo the excited couple jostles past you and locks themselves in. What do you do?
HANNAH -Well, I think I would start by just constantly knocking on the door, you know, banging on it, making them feel very awkward that I know that theyâre in there and that they shouldnât be in there. If that doesnât work⊠I donât know, maybe we go as far as picking the lock, just expose them to everyone. Why not? Nothing annoys me more than when an able-bodied person just wanders out and then they put on like this, little, fake limp, or they kind of just look embarrassed and, like, run past you and Iâm like, cool, okay thatâs kind of rude. But yes, Iâd just embarrass them to a point that they would have to leave the toilet, thatâs where Iâd get to.
SIMON -I like your lockpicking skills, that should be a joy. Rosie, what would you do?
ROSIE -Â Yeah, I would up their guilt, so I would actually let everyone know what they were doing, so that when they come out everyone boos them. Boo. Get away!
KATE -Â Mat?
MAT -Yes, yes, yes, I have to agree with Rosie. I mean, I would do something very similar. Although Iâve got an awful confession to make. I once was one of those people in the toilet.Â
KATE -Â Oh, why did that not surprise me?
ROSIE -Â Oh!
MAT -And Iâll tell you this, Hannah, the knocking started. I didnât know who it was, but I just knew that the person was going to be in a wheelchair, obviously. And do you know what we did? We were so embarrassed that we just stayed there until the noise went away, and then waited another five minutes and then gingerly looked out and when the coast was clear, ran. And I feel so bad about that, but I feel I should admit it.
HANNAH -So you should.
MAT -It was in the â90s, but that doesnât make it any better. God, I feel awful.
HANNAH -Disappointed.
ROSIE -Â I feel like Iâm missing out.
KATE -Â Put it on the bucket list, Rosie.Â
HANNAH -I donât feel like you are, itâs a bit gross.
MAT -It is. Itâs not ideal.
HANNAH -Itâs a toilet, come on!
KATE -Â Mat, now, listen to me. Youâre also at this party, this party thatâs not happening, and meet the friend of a friend for the very first time, but they clearly feel very awkward around you. Who doesnât? They wonât make eye contact and they keep addressing the person standing next to you in response to your questions, so what do you do?
MAT -So I would, I suppose, look on it as, like, not funny, but what I would probably do is try to engage them subtly in conversation by saying, you know, â I do respond to direct address,â or something like that, you know, sarcastic but gentle.
KATE -Â Look at you growing up.
MAT -I know, whatâs wrong with me? I should stab him in the throat.Â
KATE -Â Rosie, has this happened to you?
ROSIE -Â Every bloody day, and you know what I do now? I walk away, âcos theyâre not worth it. Like, if you donât want to talk to me itâs your loss, and basically Iâm a big deal so you should be bloody lucky to be talking to me.Â
KATE -Â Damn straight.Â
ROSIE -Â Yeah. If youâre not recognising that Iâm buggering off.Â
KATE -Â Good for you.
SIMON -I do want to check. Hannah, theyâre ignoring you, what would you do?
HANNAH -I donât know, I donât get ignored that often because I just talk at people until they respond. So thatâs probably what Iâd just continue to do. If they asked my friend a question Iâd answer for them, which is what I do anyway, so just keep being myself and if they⊠You know, like Rosie says, if they keep ignoring you just go away.
SIMON -Letâs carry on with our hypotheticals, because of course we know this would never happen. Now for you, Rosie. So letâs just say you spent the pandemic shielding, but youâre a good friend so youâve chosen to bubble with someone who lives alone so you can keep each other company over the festive period. Your bubble mate really wanted to go to their office Christmas party and as they promised to maintain social distancing youâd said, âYeah, sure.â Itâs nearly midnight, youâre in bed, been eating mince pies with the âMirandaâ Christmas special playing and then you hear the stumbling into the flat, and theyâre not alone. You can hear some snogging noises and some muffled giggling before your friendâs bedroom door shuts. What are you going to do? Are you angry?Â
ROSIE -Â This makes me torn, because as a friend it would be my instinct to go, âGet in there, go on lad, do it for the team.â So I think itâs been an awful year, so let them have the sex. Let them enjoy the sex. And then the morning after just make them feel so, so guilty that they buy you presents and takeaways for the whole of 2021.Â
SIMON -That seems perfectly reasonable. Hannah, do you let them get away with it?
HANNAH -I mean, youâve let them go, you canât do anything else. I like Rosieâs plan, I like the sound of presents and takeaways, why not? A bit of guilt tripping.
SIMON -Iâm nervous of asking you, Mat, but you know⊠What would you do?
MAT -Well, I would get my gaffa tape, industrial strength gaffa tape, Iâd stand outside the room and say, âThat had better bloody well be either your mother or your child, because otherwise there canât be any reason why you would have somebody in your room. And if it isnât either your mother or child Iâm taping the door shut for the next two weeks.â But then itâs been a while since I shared a flat with anyone. I donât know if that would seem unreasonable or not.
KATE -Â Perfectly reasonable I say. Has anyone had to shield this pandemic? Any of you guys, have you had to do it?
HANNAH -Nope.
KATE -Â Weâve been shielding because my wife is in the extremely clinically vulnerable group, so weâve had a lot of time indoors this year. And I think, as somebody who has gone through the kind of shielding thing, if somebody came into my house and theyâd brought somebody with them I would have been out there like a shot, shouting at them, and saying, âGet off the sofa, get out of my house, and off you go.â
SIMON -Kate, you did a diary, what was it, Cabin Fever, all the way through your lockdown?
KATE -Â Yeah, the Isolation Diaries.Â
SIMON -Do you go back and listen? Do you go back and listen to that and think, oh my goodness?
KATE -Â I donât think I could listen to it at the moment, itâs too difficult to listen to because the period has been so hard. And, you know, just again getting serious, the whole Christmas thing is very scary for a lot of people in the vulnerable group because people are going to mix, you know, itâs difficult. And I just look to January and think itâs going to be awful for all of us again. And we canât mix at Christmas with anybody, weâre not going to be doing anything. So, yeah.Â
SIMON -Â Do your children, do they know itâs Christmas time at all?
KATE -Â Â [Laughs]
MAT -Â Hereâs to you. Raise a glass to everyone.
KATE -  No, because Iâve told them Father Christmas is not allowed in the house because he hasnât been shielding. Heâll beâŠ
SIMON -Â Heâs a super spreader.
KATE -Â Â Heâs a super spreader. Heâs going in all the houses. So no, heâs not allowed in our house this year.Â
HANNAH -Â Wow.
SIMON -Â And just, we wanted to clarify, Iâm pretty certain that, Iâve heard the Prime Minister and people say that Father Christmas, Santa Claus is coming. Heâs so careful. Heâs very clever how he does it. So donât worry.Â
MAT -Â Just leave a little bit of sanitiser at the bottom of the chimney, should be all right.
KATE -Â Â Also, I just want to cry. Iâve just got a text, I just feel a bit funny, sorry.Â
SIMON -Â Oh, Kate, whatâs up?Â
KATE -Â Â I just got a text from Holly saying that sheâs just at hospital and sheâs saying that sheâs going to get the vaccine in the next couple of weeks.Â
SIMON -Â Oh, itâs good news?
HANNAH -Â Oh!
KATE -Â Â Yeah. Sorry everyone.Â
ROSIE -Â Â No!
MAT -Â Itâs all right. You cry with relief, weâll all go hurray!
ROSIE -Â Â Hurray!
MAT -Â Oh my God, itâs a real non Christian, Christmas miracle, because there is no god.Â
SIMON -Â Your children will get to enjoy Christmas after all.
ROSIE -Â Â Maybe Santa can come in the house after all.Â
MAT -Â Thatâs really cool, and it happened live.
KATE -Â Â Yeah. [Laughs]
SIMON -And Iâve just got a text from my mum. Sheâs got a problem with the computer. [Laughter] Round three. A British soap caused controversy and an online backlash with a storyline in which a couple decided to terminate their pregnancy after being told their unborn child had Downâs syndrome. What was the TV show?
HANNAH -Â Iâm going to guess.Â
SIMON -Â Go, Hannah.
HANNAH -Â Itâs one of three isnât it? So was it âEastEndersâ?
KATE -Â Â No.
HANNAH -Â âCoronation Streetâ?
KATE -Â Â No.
ROSIE -Â Â Rosie!
SIMON -Â Rosie?
ROSIE -Â Â Was it âEmmerdaleâ?Â
HANNAH -Â You picked the only one I didnât say. Thatâs cheating!
SIMON - It was⊠Did nobody even watch or follow this? So we donât really have much to say really?
MAT -Â Yeah, I followed it. I didnât watch it, I wouldnât watch that rubbish.Â
HANNAH -Â I followed it online.Â
MAT - But no, rubbish story, outmoded, ridiculous, and they should know better because itâs not as if⊠Look, listen. If there were a gazillion other portrayals of situations to do with deciding a Downâs syndrome, we had a smorgasbord of opportunity and options, then perhaps that storyline might be okay. But given the dearth of any subject, the first time itâs properly discussed in a soap should be that decision is just not on.
KATE -  What the writers are saying is that they are portraying what happened to⊠the decision thatâs made by 90%, 95% of people who get these results, and therefore theyâre showing what the vast majority of people do I guess, is their defence.Â
SIMON -Â Thanks, thereâs a bit of clarity there. I think âEastEndersâ did this years ago didnât they? They had a baby with Downâs syndrome. But Matâs point is yeah, itâs the only one we get which is the problem.
HANNAH -Â Yeah.Â
MAT -Â Yes, thatâs my real objection to it, itâs the setting in which they made that decision.
KATE -Â Â I know.
ROSIE -Â Â Simon, in âEastEndersâ they had their dilemma but they kept the baby and actually Janet, I think sheâs about 14 now and sheâs still in the show.Â
SIMON -Â Are you saying thereâs too many people with Downâs syndrome on TV now?Â
ROSIE -Â Â Iâm not saying that.Â
KATE -  So, in January 60 year old British woman, Mo OâBrien, became the first deaf person on record to doâŠ? Just guess if you donât know. Â
HANNAH -Â Climb a mountain.
KATE -Â Â What did you say, Hannah?
HANNAH -Â Climb a mountain.Â
KATE -Â Â Not too far away.
SIMON -Â Not bad though. Donât worry about the deafness. Itâs nothing to do with deafness.
ROSIE -Â Â Bungee jump.
SIMON -Â Oh! Not quite, but nearly.Â
HANNAH -Â Abseiling.Â
ROSIE -Â Â Sky dive.Â
HANNAH -Â Swim the ocean.Â
SIMON - Nearly, nearly. But instead of swimming, stay dry becauseâŠ
ROSIE -Â Â Row. Row the Channel.Â
MAT -Â Was she the first person to row from Britain to France?
SIMON -Â Thatâs good enough for me.Â
KATE -Â Â Close. Safe enough, Mat.
ROSIE -Â Â I said that!Â
MAT -Â They did want particular, Rosie.
ROSIE -Â Â I said row the Channel.
KATE -Â Â True. Rosie should get the point, just because you didnât hear her properly, Simon. You ableist.
MAT -Â So ableist.
SIMON -Â It was the Atlantic.Â
KATE -Â Â Mo OâBrien was actually the first deaf person to row an ocean by finishing a 3,000 mile journey across the Atlantic and she and her fellow crew members, including her daughter, landed on the Caribbean isle of Antigua 49 days after setting out from the Canary island of La Gomera. They were also the fastest female trio to complete the challenge and when asked how she felt after, Ms OâBrien said she felt relieved. Which again, made you think she wasnât enjoying it that much.Â
HANNAH - Thatâs what Iâd say after a race though. I would say I was relieved after a race, so⊠Youâre glad that your training paid off and you did what you set out to do. Youâre relieved.Â
SIMON -Â All the points to Hannah, well done. Right, number four. Last month Hollywood actress, Anne Hathaway, apologised for the portrayal of limb difference in her latest film. What was the name of the film?
ROSIE -Â Â âThe Witchesâ.
MAT -Â [Clears throat] Mat Fraser.Â
SIMON -Â Oh, Mat Fraser?
KATE -Â Â Sticking to the rules, Mat Fraser.
MAT - Sorry, I thought you were meant to say your name, Rosie, or are you just jumping�
ROSIE -Â Â Oh, Rosie.
MAT -Â No, no, full cheating now. Full cheating.Â
SIMON -Â Hannah, do you know the answer?Â
HANNAH -Â Hannah Cockcroft. I feel like I canât steal this though. So Iâm going to hand this over. Mat Fraser, what is the answer?
KATE -Â Â Oh, youâre going to hand it over are you, Hannah?
MAT -Â Iâm writing it on my flipper.Â
SIMON -Â Very sporting, Hannah.Â
MAT - No, I think itâs actually for Hannah to say, becauseâŠ
SIMON -Â Can someone just give us an answer. Please.Â
HANNAH -Â Itâs âThe Witchesâ.Â
SIMON -Â Yes, it is.
KATE -Â Â And Rosie had already said it as well, and Simon is just ignoring her for the second time. [Laughs]
ROSIE -Â Â Honestly. Honestly, I literally said that.Â
SIMON -Â Ah, but you didnât say your name first, Rosie, thatâs why I went to Mat.Â
ROSIE -Â Â I said âThe Witchesâ. Rosie, âThe Witchesâ, and you said, âHannah?â [Laughter]
HANNAH -Â Heâs got favourites, just deal with it.Â
SIMON -Â If you donât know the story itâs a new adaptation of Roald Dahlâs 1983 book, âThe Witchesâ and theyâre revealed to have three elongated fingers on each hand and toeless feet. Comedian Alex Brooker and others with hand impairments have accused the film of being insensitive towards disabled people.Â
KATE -Â Â So, Paralympic and world champion Boccia player, David Smith, made headlines earlier this year when he claimed the Welsh NHS lost his what while it was in for repair.
HANNAH -Â Oh, Hannah Cockcroft. Wheelchair.Â
SIMON -Â Wow, straight in.Â
HANNAH -Â Sheâs on fire!Â
KATE -Â Â That is correct. His ÂŁ7,500 wheelchair was in for repair and he says that it got lost in the hospital. Mr Smith, who has cerebral palsy, said heâd have to wait eight weeks for an assessment for a new wheelchair. The local health board has apologised and will undertake an investigation. I mean, that is a nightmare scenario isnât it, losing your wheelchair?Â
HANNAH - Itâs mad. How would you lose something that big and that important? Number one, how longâs it going to take to do an investigation into this, because that is adding to the amount of time that he hasnât got a wheelchair. Number two, obviously as a wheelchair user myself, like, Iâm lucky, I can walk a little bit. My boyfriendâs actually putting his wheelchair in this afternoon for a bit of work on it and they said, âOh, itâll take about a week to do the work.â How many people actually have a spare wheelchair? Like, heâs going to use mine for the next week. The work that heâs having done we kind of expected theyâd do in the day because the wheelchair is his legs, he canât weight bear at all. I just sometimes think, well it was definitely able bodied people that lost Davidâs wheelchair and itâs definitely able bodied people that are taking my boyfriendâs chair away for a week because they just donât understand how reliant we are on it. Thatâs like saying, right, âWeâre going to chop your legs off for a week, you can have them back later,â itâs the exact same thing and they just donât⊠It blows my mind that we are in 2020 and people still donât understand that.
SIMON -Do they not have courtesy wheelchairs? You put your car in for a service and then you get a courtesy car. Or is that just your chair fits you?
HANNAH -Yeah, thatâs the thing, like, your chair is made to fit you so like I say, my boyfriendâs going to use my wheelchair, itâs by no means ideal, weâre going to have to almost isolate because he could hurt himself using my chair. Itâs not made up for his balance points, itâs not made for his size, itâs not made for his shape. Yeah, your wheelchairâs just an extension of your body really and itâs very personalised.Â
SIMON -I have empathy with the scooter, but Iâm just wondering, shall we speak a bit more about Boccia? Has anyone else won medals in Boccia? Anyone else?
KATE -Â Oh, just you, Simon.Â
SIMON -Bocciaâs got a lot of risk in it. I know that from my own games.Â
KATE -Â Your own gold medal winning games.
SIMON -Well, youâre asking me, Kate, thanks very much. I didnât actually get a gold, it was a silver and a bronze, butâŠ
MAT -[Musical box sound and singing] Christmas time again, Christmas time again. What a lot of fun we have on Ouch. Oh yes we do.Â
HANNAH -Whatâs going on? [Laughter]
SIMON -The new Ouch jingle.
MAT -I just improv-ed over the alarm on my phone that I forgot to turn off. Sorry.Â
HANNAH -I enjoyed that. You should release a Christmas single.Â
KATE -Â Right well, thank you for that.
SIMON -I donât know if youâre interested but that actually is the end of the Ouch 2020 Christmas quiz.Â
HANNAH -Ah!
SIMON -I assume we want to know⊠All of our guests are shaking very happily except for Hannah whoâs being just cool.Â
KATE -Â Adjudicator, Keiligh, who won?
KEILIGH -So in third place, drum roll, we have⊠Thank you, thank you, Rosie, we had Mat Fraser.Â
SIMON -Well done, Mat.Â
KEILIGH -In second place, we have Hannah Cockcroft.Â
HANNAH -Oh, so close.
KEILIGH -Which means in first place we have Rosie Jones.
ROSIE -Â Yes! Oh my God, this is the highlight of my year, which actually isnât saying a lot.Â
SIMON -How do you feel, Mat? How do you feel coming in third?
MAT -Oh fine, par for the course. You know, thatâs me, Iâve got natural talent but never trying really hard enough to ever win.Â
KATE -Â Hannah, I donât think youâre used to coming in second are you?
HANNAH -Itâs not my favourite place to be, and I just feel like if Rosie hadnât let me list all the soaps and then pick the last one⊠And then just let me pick it. If sheâd just let me finish my list, you know? But she just jumped in there, let me do the legwork and just jumped in with the answer. But itâs fine. I donât mind a bit of team work, itâs all right, Iâm not bitter.Â
ROSIE -Â No, sorry. I love you, Hannah, but I saw a weakness and I jumped.Â
MAT -Vicious.Â
HANNAH -I was running out of soaps to say, I was struggling a bit.Â
SIMON -If I do a Christmas quiz with my family Iâm just going to shout out Rosie every four seconds because thatâs what youâre supposed to do isnât it? Thatâs how you get in there. Rosie!Â
KATE -Â Whether you know the answer or not, just get in there.Â
ROSIE -Â Rosie!
KATE -Â Right, well thatâs it for this year. Thank you so much, Rosie, Mat and Hannah. Itâs been an absolute joy and nowâs the time for you to tell us what youâre going to be doing in 2021 which I hope is going to be a lot more than youâve done in 2020. Rosie, as the winner you get to go first, so whatâs coming up for you next year?
ROSIE -Â A lot of exciting things. Iâve got my own travel show on Channel Four, Friday nights.Â
KATE -Â Whay!
ROSIE -Â Â And that should be out in March and April. And my big news is I just filmed an episode of âCasualtyâ, so that will be out in the new year. Honestly, it was a dream come true. So yes, hopefully more gigging and more acting and more having a good damn good time.Â
SIMON -Thank you, Rosie. Thatâs fabulous.
HANNAH -Hereâs to that.
SIMON -Mat, thatâs kind of a tough act to follow, but whatâs your big news? What are you up to next year?
MAT -Well hopefully, although itâs a little confidential at the moment because Iâm at pitch stage and I donât want to jinx it by opening up too much about it, but itâs a follow on and a move upwards from âCripTalesâ. Iâm really into the disabled written, directed and acted thing, itâs where Iâm at at the moment and Iâm going to try and push for that a bit more.Â
SIMON -Hannah. What are you up to next year?
HANNAH -I feel like mineâs quite obvious. Hopefully Iâll be competing, going for gold at the Tokyo 2021 Paralympic Games. Thatâs the plan, if it goes ahead. So, fingers crossed.Â
KATE -Â Yes, Hannah. Yes!
ROSIE -Â Come on!
SIMON -That is it from us now. We will see you soon. Donât forget to subscribe to the Ouch podcast on ±«Óătv Sounds where you will find hundreds more episodes. You can get in touch by emailing ouch@bbc.co.uk, and find us on Twitter and Facebook @bbcouch.Â
KATE -Â Merry Christmas everybody and have a great New Year. Thank you for joining us and weâll see you again in 2021. Merry Christmas everyone.
MAT -Happy Christmas.
HANNAH -Merry Christmas.Â
MAT -Merry Christmas [Musical box sound and singing] Christmas time again. What a lot of fun we have on Ouch. Oh yes we do.
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