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Wednesday's newsletter HAS been sent..

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1. At 12:26 PM on 16 May 2007, Big Sister wrote:

   I'll put on the kettle then, Eddie. Monday's came back for another biscuit, then said it was heading west.

   Is this one on Work Experience, or a Gap Year?

2. At 12:53 PM on 16 May 2007, DI Wyman wrote:

   Eddie...I am betting 3 copies, 4.30 am on Sunday 27th, at 6 to 1 odds on favourite....can anyone better the odds?

3. At 01:04 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

   Today is Wednesday and the Newsletter has been sent, I wonder who the lucky receipient is ? They will be so up to speed, I have just received two identical copies of Mondays, so am a little off the pace.

4. At 01:11 PM on 16 May 2007, witchiwoman wrote:

   I guess by the pricking in my thumbs it willl turn up at 1432; possibly via carrier pigeon. Or 3.

5. At 01:35 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

   Just got Mondays Newsletter twice - most bizarre but par for the course

6. At 01:46 PM on 16 May 2007, Big Sister wrote:

   Ah ha! So it did go on to Bournemouth after it left me. A Grand Tour, perhaps.

7. At 01:58 PM on 16 May 2007, stewart M wrote:

   Heres the bit that tells me where Mondays newsletter went. Interestingly the one sent second arrived first!

   Return-Path:
   Received: from n079.sc1.he.tucows.com (64.97.168.35) by n006.sc1.cp.net (7.2.066)
   id 451F4EF002C92CE7 for mitchell.optometrist at virgin dotnet; Wed, 16 May 2007 09:32:03 +0000
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   From: PM
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   Sender: owner-pm@lists.bbc.co.uk
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8. At 02:07 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

   Fantastic - I've just got 2 copies of Monday's as well. You really are spoiling us! Has Andrew got all the lard off yet?

9. At 02:23 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

   Great Blog.

10. At 02:26 PM on 16 May 2007, witchiwoman wrote:

    A few minutes out!! But did arrive by email and only the once...so far

11. At 02:44 PM on 16 May 2007, DI Wyman wrote:

    ....STOP PRESS......WEDNESDAY NEWSLETTER.....ITS ARRIVED!!!!

    ......thud, sound of someone fainting...tee..hee

12. At 03:18 PM on 16 May 2007, Big Sister wrote:

    Mine's not here yet.

    Stewart M: I now know why the Monday Newsletter left my house whistling "I've been everywhere man, I've been everywhere, man ......"

13. At 03:18 PM on 16 May 2007, Chrissie the Trekkie wrote:

    It's HERE!!!

    (cue x-files theme)

14. At 03:25 PM on 16 May 2007, tony ferney wrote:

    Question: How does one unsubscribe from a newsletter that doesn't arrive or isn't sent?

    PS Just kidding

15. At 03:27 PM on 16 May 2007, Big Sister wrote:

    Clearly diverted by its internal satnav today, by the sound of it. It's probably languishing in a river ford somewhere between Cornwall and Sussex.

16. At 03:29 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    Todays newsletter has arrived
    Timeprint on email : 11.44am...
    arrived between 3.00pm and 3.25pm

    Great to see Scotland at last being a possible lead story, I look forward to hearing a decent in depth piece... please?

    Regards
    john

17. At 03:43 PM on 16 May 2007, The New Blog Prince aka Marc wrote:

    Stewart M @ 7

    As I spent ages trying to find out the wherabouts of Monday's newsletter, with little success, are you able to translate *that* into something a little less technical?!

18. At 03:45 PM on 16 May 2007, DI Wyman wrote:

    Big Sister,

    could be this one started off up north and is making its way south as opposed to Mondays that started in the south and then headed west?

19. At 03:59 PM on 16 May 2007, admin annie wrote:

    well I got Mondays twice this morning but today's has yet to appear. Shame that, especially if Scotland has a major story, could it be the great AS we ask ourselves.

20. At 04:13 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    Re: stewart - Thank you - that's what the problem was then :-)

21. At 04:18 PM on 16 May 2007, RJD wrote:

    Stewart M - You do realise that we all know your email address now!

22. At 04:22 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    I never got round to saying how disappointed I was that PM only won "best interactive show".

    I love your interview technique Eddie. Listening to interviews is akin to listening to a very small play unfold that has a big plot twist due to your subtle nature. No shouting, just giving them rope and then like iron fist in a silk glove, POW, they get a one, right in the mooey.

    My favourite being the "Cameras with speakers" and your letting the woman gleefully relate how good they were. A moments silence and "Should a fat person be shouted at for eating crisps?". Her reaction (against the ropes, you pummelling her politely) was absolutely excellent. I could not stop laughing and it was a pure bonus to hear that... she was fat.

    "No, we shouldn't shout at fat people for eating crisps. I am fat and I would find it abhorrent"

    Eddie continued "yes but obesity, isn't that the single most expensive problem that the NHS has to deal with".

    Brilliant and not at all aggressive

23. At 04:25 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    I never got round to saying how disappointed I was that PM only won "best interactive show".

    I love your interview technique Eddie. Listening to interviews is akin to listening to a very small play unfold that has a big plot twist due to your subtle nature. No shouting, just giving them rope and then like iron fist in a silk glove, POW, they get a one, right in the mooey.

    My favourite being the "Cameras with speakers" and your letting the woman gleefully relate how good they were. A moments silence and "Should a fat person be shouted at for eating crisps?". Her reaction (against the ropes, you pummelling her politely) was absolutely excellent. I could not stop laughing and it was a pure bonus to hear that... she was fat.

    "No, we shouldn't shout at fat people for eating crisps. I am fat and I would find it abhorrent"

    Eddie continued "yes but obesity, isn't that the single most expensive problem that the NHS has to deal with".

    Brilliant and not at all aggressive

24. At 04:26 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    Re Marc (NBP) The clue is stewarts post was a few lines up from the bottom :-

    Received: (from nobody@localhost)
    

25. At 04:32 PM on 16 May 2007, Tony wrote:

    Bother - I was about to put my second (unopened) copy of Monday's newsletter on eBay but it seems that there are already more than enough to go around.

26. At 04:36 PM on 16 May 2007, RJD wrote:

    Eddie - Come on, this newsletter business is getting silly. With a deadline like "PM Weds" you're not going to attract many readers - sure him and Cherie have been hitched for years.

    And as for advising people who want to unsubscribe to send a message containing the following "unsubscsribe isihac" - that's very, very naughty!

27. At 04:37 PM on 16 May 2007, DI Wyman wrote:

    RJD

    re: Stewart M - You do realise that we all know your email address now

    you must need your eyes testing me ol' mucker

28. At 04:37 PM on 16 May 2007, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    DI Wyman - have you done that guttering yet?

29. At 04:44 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    And the Fifi in-box pinged the arrival of Wednesday's newsletter at ... quarter past four!

    Life in the slow lane.

    ;o)

    Hmm... malicious posting, after hours of no-posting. Hmmm....

    Fifi

30. At 05:05 PM on 16 May 2007, wrote:

    Dr H

    re: done that guttering yet?

    ...wot, with these feet....?

31. At 06:20 PM on 16 May 2007, Rachel wrote:

    Got here at 1622 and was read after I'd listened to the programme. Didn't matter though, 'cos as a result of breaking news and Matthew Parris' astonishing revelation that MPs are cynically jumping on a media bandwagon (doh! that never happened before) it bore little resemblance to the show I heard.

32. At 08:02 PM on 16 May 2007, mittfh wrote:

    In a nutshell, the path Monday's newsletters took was:

    Eddie -> dev1.reith.bbc.co.uk
    -> mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk
    -> lists1.mh.bbc.co.uk
    -> lists2.mh.bbc.co.uk (all on Monday)
    -> lists.bbc.co.uk (Tuesday)
    -> mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (Wednesday)
    -> me

    lists.bbc.co.uk appears to be the bottleneck.
    Checking through today's (Wednesday), the trip from lists2 to lists took 45 minutes (ooh err), and from lists to mailgw2 took a couple of hours.
    

33. At 09:44 PM on 16 May 2007, stewart M wrote:

    Marc The Blog Prince, No I cant translate the gobbledegook. But Jonnie seems to have an idea. And yes I know my e mail was in there. But thats probbaly no worse than the posts with web page links.
    Miffth seems to understand this gobbledegook better (see above)

34. At 11:02 PM on 16 May 2007, mittfh wrote:

    I'll attempt to explain what the gobbledegoook is below, as well as giving a real-world equivalent of what's going on. If the newsletter gets all blogged up again, if Eddie can point this thread out to one of the ±«Óãtv network technicians, they might be able to work out what's going on and how to fix it permanently (apart from ripping out the list server and dropping it from the top of the news centre).

    With any email, if you click on the option to "Show full headers", the header section of the email (the bit that shows From: Date: To: Subject: etc.) expands, with a lot of Received: headers.

    These received headers show the route the email took from sender to receiver - showing all the computers the email was looked at en-route, together with a timestamp. Each Received header follows a standard format:

    Received: from (the computer that had it last) by (the computer that's currently got it) for (where it's trying to go) (timestamp)

    That probably still didn't make any sense to you, so let's try a real-world analogy:
    Imagine you're sending a postcard to Eddie. At every sorting office between you and him, they stamp it with their location and time. Hence when Eddie gets it, he can see which sorting offices the postcard passed through, and if it stayed at a sorting office for an unreasonably long time.
    The newsletter follows a similar route, but at one of the sorting offices, lots of copies of the postcard are made - one for each subscriber.

    At a rough guess, it's this sorting office which has been the cause of the problems.

    -oOo-
    Just wondered: does anyone else in the Beeb send out a regular newsletter at about the same time? Have they had problems?
    

35. At 02:53 PM on 17 May 2007, Rachel wrote:

    Hmmph! No newsletter AND no blog entry today so far. I demand a refund.

36. At 03:14 PM on 17 May 2007, wrote:

    Rachel,

    I agree, the service is so poor these days!

    You get none, then two, then one and then none again and its only 107 minutes to blast off....what a way to run a country...tsch..tsch

37. At 03:46 PM on 17 May 2007, witchiwoman wrote:

    And I thought it was just me!

38. At 04:06 PM on 17 May 2007, wrote:

    Rachel & witch....

    ..lets unite and take over the world...!

39. At 11:54 AM on 14 Sep 2007, ann Morgan wrote:

    Can u please give me a contact re the hospital in Uganda mentioned in a PM last week.... regarding women who have been attacked by soldiers. I would like to send a donation.